James White’s Ignorance of Calvinist Teachings Regarding the Crucifxion


Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

It was sad to see a display of monumental incompetence from James White while discussing the Crucifixion of Jesus. His complete and total loss of composure and vile attitude was indeed shocking to say the least. However, when I quoted the Geneva Study Bible, a classic in Calvinist Exegesis on the Bible, his rejection of such a work really led me to question his purpose of trying to seriously engage me in discussion. The importance of John Calvin’s contribution to the Geneva Bible is extant:

“The Geneva Bible is the Bible with marginal notes authored by John Calvin, John Know and Miles Coverdale, and many other leaders of the Reformation. The Geneva Bible was the predominant English translation during the period in which the English and Scottish Reformations gained great impetus. Iain Murray, in his classic work on revival and the interpretation of prophecy, The Puritan Hope, notes, “…the two groups in England and Scotland developed along parallel lines, like two streams originating at one fountain. The foundation was no so much Geneva, as the Bible which the exiles newly translated and issued with many marginal notes… it was read in every Presbyterian and Puritan home in both realms”……. The greatest distinction of the Geneva Bible, however, is the extensive collection of marginal notes that it contains. Prominent Reformation leaders such as John Calvin, John Know and Miles Coverdale, William Whittingham, Theodore Beza, and Anthony Gilby wrote the majority of these notes in order to explain and interpret the scriptures. The notes comprise nearly 300,000 words, or nearly one-third the length of the Bible itself, and they are justifiably considered the most complete source of Protestant religious thought available.” – 1599 Geneva Bible Notes, Introduction, L. L. Brown Publishing.

In my questioning of the crucifixion of Jesus, I referred to Matthew 27:46 which reads:

About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

My point being, has Jesus according to his alleged own words, disbelieved in the plan (predestination) of God, which in itself is a Calvinist tenet or has he uttered words of blasphemy? I stated this and then for an addendum, included the words of the Geneva Study Bible, which reads:

27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou o forsaken me?

(o) That is, in this misery: And this crying out is a natural part of his humanity, which, even though it was void of sin, still felt the wrath of God, the wrath which is due to our sins.

In my message to James White, I indicated that Jesus was feeling the wrath of God, thus Jesus spoke words of abandonment/ disbelief:

James, after having read this, then sent a really interesting response. I was under the impression that he knew what the GSB (Geneva Study Bible) was, after all, he is a self claimant to being highly learned and a proponent of John Calvin’s theological teachings. However, whether out of pure ignorance or perhaps arrogance, he accused me of not properly understanding Jesus’ words. Yet the claim that Jesus spoke such words of disdain against God because of the pain of God’s wrath, did not originate from me, but from what is the most authentic Protestant Reformation source on Christian Bible Theology that has ever existed. This was his response:

It’s quite amusing to see Christian “scholarship” refuting their own scholar’s teachings. Here it is, James White, the illustrious Islamophobe, condemning his own source of Christian Theology. Sir, I greatly applaud you on your accusation against me, for it does not bother me in the least, but what it has done is significantly displayed your ignorance of your own teachings. It is in that light, you’ve demonstrated that you are not an authority on your religion, and for that matter on Islam as well, no matter how much you quote from an online Greek version of the Bible, that will never make you a scholar. Hopefully, after having written this, I pray that it does come to your attention and that I do hope that you one day, do actually commit to reading John Calvin’s words and the words/ works of other Protestant Reformists.

wa Allaahu Alam.
[and God knows best.]

 

3 comments

  • I have to agree with James White. You haven’t understood Jesus’ words or the Geneva Bible notes. Jesus is not expressing unbelief but just the opposite. “My God, My God” is a statement of His perfect trust in God (Psalm 22; cf. Psalm 3:7; 25:2; 42:6; 89:26-29).

  • Of course you’d agree which James White, I’ve read your website articles and seen your tweets. Simply adhering to the views of the hivemind. Unless people of your kind can subscribe to disce aut discede, you’re really not going to be doing any critical thinking soon. To refute your claim, no, I haven’t misunderstood the notes or James’ statements. You’ve yet to prove that, all you’re doing is denying what I’m saying without establishing any grounds for doing so and then you’re using appeal to a straw man by referring to the verses in Tehellim. Quite a fallacious statement to make.

    It’s simple, Jesus allegedly, felt the wrath of God and questions why God abandoned him. Saying, “My God, My God” is to alienate the rest of the context of the statement, the full context is expounded upon by the full sentence, “why has thou forsaken me”, if anyone asks why God has forsaken/ abandoned them, then that’s disbelief or trust issues. Does questioning God and implying, explicitly abandonment/ being forsaken equitable with piety? You seem to think so. Quite the contradiction.

  • بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

    Exactly, if Jesus (p) , which according to Christian understanding is one who is alleged to be divine, knows he is giving up his flesh-and-blood existence why he seemed reluctant and cried “My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?” as the last words spoken by him from the cross.

    Why should he have thought himself as separated from God at the very moment when, according to Christian theology, he was fulfilling God’s plan??

    Are we to believe that Jesus (p) who is supposed to be God’s equal, and His only begotten son, fell into deep depression and anguish because God refused to help him in his hour of need if his death was essential for redeeming mankind from the power of sin?

    How could Jesus (p) If, as Christian belief, he as god knew and predicted long in advance the events surrounding his death his own plan, complain: “My god, my God, why have You forsaken me?”

    Something essentially had gone wrong.

    Wassalam

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