Tag Archives: Sam Shamoun

Why do Muslims use sources they don’t believe in?

Question:

When Muslims quote the Bible, or quote scholars like Bart Ehrman who disagree with what Muslims believe, isn’t that cherry picking, a double standard?

Answer:

This answer can apply to any topic, regardless of the source or reference that a Muslim uses. When Muslims use sources like the Bible, it is not cherry picking nor a double standard to use it in their argumentation. This is because we have a standard of consistent truth. Regardless of what a source says, we agree and affirm when that source is correct. Consider the example of a flat earther (a person who does not believe the earth is a globe). If a flat earther told me that humans lived on the earth or that gravity was real, I would affirm those truths. I would not reject everything the flat earther says, simply because he is wrong in some of what he says.

Consider the example of a Jew who affirms that God is absolutely one. As a Muslim, I would affirm that such a monotheistic belief is a truth. Regardless of his other beliefs about the Prophets or about God, I am not going to reject monotheism merely because the Jew holds some beliefs I disagree with. Our standard of truthful affirmation remains consistent, we affirm the truth wherever it is, and reject the falsehood wherever it is. The ability to both accept and reject from a source is called rational discernment, or the ability to distinguish between truth and falsehood. There is no rule or law which states that one must absolutely agree with everything a source says, this is a false impression to hold to. Being able to distinguish, discern is to remain consistent in one’s approach to works that someone may find things disagreeable with.

The same holds true to the Bible. A Muslim will gladly affirm that Jesus is the Christ as the New Testament mentions. It would be inconsistent to reject that Jesus is the Christ because the New Testament says so. Being able to discern between what we believe and don’t believe is to remain consistent in one’s theology. A long time Christian polemicist also received a similar question when he used and quoted Catholic works, when he himself is not a Catholic:

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The irony here, is that when this same individual sees a Muslim quoting the Bible he becomes angry and belligerent, often using insults. Yet in this comment of his, he affirms that it is perfectly fine to quote sources when and where they agree with one’s theology in common. He has no issue with it. As one of his colleagues would say, inconsistency is the sign of a failed argument.

and Allah knows best.

Shamoun’s Heretic is McLatchie’s Delight

Richard Lucas of SOLAS CPC has been declared a heretic by missionary Sam Shamoun, following an article by our esteemed Br. Yahya Snow:

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The irony of this, is that Sam’s friend, Jonathan McLatchie is promoting Richard Lucas who Sam deems as a heretic, as an apologist to be learning from in his “Apologetics Academy”:

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Jonathan has even put up the listing for Richard on his website:

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Let’s make sense of this. Sam Shamoun and Jonathan McLatchie are friends. Sam Shamoun views Richard Lucas as a heretic, holding false beliefs about the Trinity. Jonathan McLatchie in opposition to Sam, has been promoting Richard Lucas as someone to learn apologetics from, announcing Richard’s appearance on his “Apologetics Academy” some 5 months in advance. Is Jonathan McLatchie promoting a heretic as Sam Shamoun views Richard to be? Is Apologetics Academy endorsing heretical views to gain an audience?

You can view Dr. Ally’s debate with Mr. Lucas here:

and God knows best.

Sam Shamoun Says Paul of Tarsus Preached in Mosques

Maybe it’s due to the lack of sleep since being condemned by a significant portion of the Christian community for attacking Dr. White, or perhaps it’s from the stress of changing core Christian beliefs when it comes to atonement. Needless to say, Sam has a vivid imagination, one can see it in his colourful use of insults and innate pervisity. Today however, we have quite the comment by our friend Sam:

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He says, “I am all for White going to mosques and preaching the Gospel like Paul did.” The question begs itself, when did Paul ever enter a Mosque?

What should be noted though, is that perhaps Sam may refer to the conjunctive term in the sentence and claim it refers to two distinct subjects, yet he denies this when it comes to the Shahadah mentioning two subjects (God and the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him). He claims the conjunctive term equates the two subjects (he claims the Prophet is  God). So either it is that Sam believes that Paul of Tarsus preached in Mosques, or he accepts that his interpretation of the testimony of faith in Islam (Shahadah) is faulty due to his poor grammatical and comprehension skills.

and God knows best.

Dr. James White Rebukes Sam Shamoun

On the 1st of February 2017, Dr. James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries responded to Sam Shamoun’s incessant attacking of him, dating back to March of 2016. Following months of insults, mockery, and taunting by Sam, Dr. White finally responded to him given the fallout after his dialogues with Dr. Yasir Qadhi. As a consequence of the dialogues, Sam Shamoun led a campaign, asking his social media followers to stop Dr. White’s ministry, which included calling event halls, Churches and conferences to request that they cancel his appearances.

In March of 2016, Sam Shamoun began to openly insult and mock Dr. White for associating and debating Br. Yusuf Ismail of South Africa. In November and December of 2016, following Dr. White’s dismissal of Robert Morey’s call to “destroy Islam” by “destroying the Kabah” in Makkah, Sam Shamoun became increasingly infuriated with Dr. White. Finally, in January of 2017, following Dr. White’s dialogue with Dr. Qadhi in a Church, Sam Shamoun openly endorsed statements referring to Dr. White as an apostate:

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Comment on Sam’s Facebook Page referring to Dr. White as an apostate.

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Sam Shamoun “liked” the comment.

The below video is the summarized version of the 2 hour long Dividing Line episode which aired on the 1st of February, 2017. In this episode, Dr. White responded to Sam’s claims as posted on social media, while also commenting on Sam’s behaviour, trustworthiness (or lack thereof) and anger issues. As acknowledged, Sam cannot control his temper, has anger issues, is openly vitriolic and abusive, and is also referred to as a bully. The summarized version as presented below, includes 40 minutes of Dr. White directly addressing Sam Shamoun:

An earlier Missionary Mishap post covered a timeline of events leading up to the Dividing Line program. We have also produced two short videos based on statements made from the Dividing Line program, one where Dr. White states that Sam views himself as a “Prophet“, as well as another video where Sam’s uncontrolled temper, anger and foulmouthed behaviours are addressed.

and God knows best.

 

Missionary Mishap: Missionary Civil War

An all out Missionary Civil War is the best way to describe the fallout between a large group of Christian anti-Islamic speakers. Some of it has been covered by Br. Paul here. To make sense of it, please see the following post by Dr. James White:

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Similarly, both Jonathan McLatchie and his colleague Sam have called out Tony Costa as a heretic:

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As of this posting, Jonathan McLatchie has not rebuked, nor removed the comment of his colleague referring to Tony Costa as a heretic. In the same breath, both Jonathan and his colleague have been critical of Dr. White over the last few days, with Jonathan having approved posts on his Facebook timeline denigrating and attacking Dr. White:

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Not only has Jonathan approved his colleagues post attacking Dr. White, we should also be reminded of him not correcting or disagreeing with his colleague Sam, about Tony Costa being a heretic. Shortly before the attacks on Dr. White and Costa by Jonathan and his colleague Sam, there was a falling out between the both of them. Sam had referred to three Christian debaters as being the top polemicists when it came to Islam. Jonathan was not mentioned in that listing of the top 3. It is only after Muslims pointed out the obvious snubbing of Jonathan, was his name eventually added to a later post attacking our Br. Yahya Snow.

The timeline of events can be understood as follows:

  1. Sam Shamoun attacks Dr. White because Dr. White refuted and rejected Robert Morey’s hatred of Muslims and of wanting to destroy the Kabah in Makkah. – December 17th, 2016.
  2. Dr. James White has dialogue with Dr. Yasir Qadhi. – January 24th, 2017.
  3. Sam Shamoun disagrees with Dr. James White on having Dr. Qadhi in a Church. – January 24th, 2017.
  4. Sam Shamoun proceeded to make several posts disagreeing with Dr. White, leading to some of Sam’s friends and followers calling the Churches hosting Dr. White’s events trying to get them cancelled. – January 27th, 2017.
  5. Sam Shamoun calls for a debate against Dr. White, and lists a top 3 of Christian apologists who he recommends as good on “refuting Islam”. – January 27th, 2017.
  6. Jonathan McLatchie approves Sam Shamoun’s comment referring to Tony Costa as a heretic. – January 28th, 2017.
  7. Jonathan McLatchie approves tag and post by Sam on his timeline on Facebook attacking Dr. James White. – January 29th, 2017.
  8. Muslims point out that Sam Shamoun excluded Jonathan from his list of Christians who are good in “refuting” Islam.
  9. Sam Shamoun finally gives Jonathan the attention he needs and mentions him on Facebook, Jonathan meanwhile leaves the posts attacking Dr. White and Tony Costa. – January 29th, 2017.
  10. Dr. James White makes a post directly calling out Sam Shamoun and his colleagues. – January 30th, 2017.
  11. Sam Shamoun in response to Dr. White, posts articles from Catholic apologists who openly dislike and hate Dr. White. – January 30th, 2017.
  12. Sam Shamoun’s latest response is as follows:

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This is just the tip of the iceberg, behind the scenes there have been frantic emails and messages exchanged between many of the names mentioned above. Conversations, plans, tactics, agreements, all aimed at each other by Christian “apologists”. In the days to come, we’ll see how this mishap plays out. More to come.

and Allah knows best.

 

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