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I Forgive Jonathan McLatchie

Recently I demonstrated that Jonathan McLatchie plagiarized in his recent debate with our esteemed Br. Yusuf Ismail.

The two videos published on the issue have gathered more views than the debate itself ever will, I haven’t even factored in the views it got on Facebook when several other Muslims uploaded it either. The point being, that I just wanted to provide some context for what I’ll say in this article. A person could respond in a lot of ways to allegations of plagiarism, it’s part of fair criticism when one is in the interfaith-apologetics field. People analyse your statements, double check your references, these are expected things to happen when you debate because this isn’t a game. You’re calling people to change their entire worldview, base their salvation on what you are saying, so you expect debaters to put their best, most accurate and honest foot forward.

Jonathan responded in three ways to my pointing out his plagiarism. Firstly, he accused me of plagiarising from Rabbi Tovia Singer in a now deleted comment on Facebook. He later on removed that comment after I asked him for proof, evidently he misheard a comment from Dr. James White on Muslims in the UK (which by itself is also unproven). I’m neither from, nor have I been to the UK. To be clear, he didn’t apologize for the lie, he just deleted it as he did with his comments about Br. Mansur recently. Secondly, he then posted a status referring to me as deceptive and then allowed copious amounts of insults to be posted about me from some Paltalk friends he has who are aligned with Sam Shamoun. That’s neither unexpected or interesting, at this point it’s sort of expected behaviour from those people.

Thirdly, he lashed out and posted an unverified photo of a Facebook comment where I apparently insulted David Wood. I’m not really sure what he was expecting? I read the comment thread where his verification process basically entailed asking (and I’m paraphrasing here), “is that Ijaz’s Facebook profile from last year in the photo? By golly, that must mean he actually said it!” He’s apparently unaware that anyone could create false photos from Facebook using someone’s profile picture, it’s something fairly common. It also turns out, when questioned for evidence that I actually posted it…that the only person who claimed to have seen when I did post it…was a person who had blocked me roughly two years ago on Facebook (effectively predating the date on the alleged photo altogether), in fact…that same witness boasted in another post of Jonathan’s that he had blocked me and that his Facebook experience was peaceful for that very reason. Lying, is not their forte to say the least. That person is Robert Wells. He also happens to be the person who threatened my life when I used to interact with him on Paltalk:

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So, do I fault Jonathan for not doing proper checks before “exposing” me? Yes, I do. Do I fault him for trusting the testimony of someone who blocked me on Facebook and threatened to kill me? Yes, I do. Will I respond in like? No. See, I happen to forgive Jonathan because I understand how much my two videos about his plagiarism may have affected him. I definitely understand how embarrassing it must’ve been, and so I can understand why he lashed out. On the other hand, this isn’t a tit for tat game. I criticize him fairly when it comes to his apologetics and Islamo-political claims, I criticize him fairly when he slanders my colleagues like Br. Mansur and Br. Hamza. His reaction however, was not something related to any of those areas of interest, his lashing out was personal and I do not respond to personal attacks.

So, while I am disappointed in his behaviour, I’m sorry Jonathan, but I’m not interested. Perhaps when you can learn to meaningfully interact with my publications and videos, I’ll gladly respond, but when you go low, I’ll go high. I forgive you.

“Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant.” – Qur’an 7:199.

and God knows best.

The Trinity – A Simple Explanation

Do you find the Trinity difficult to understand? Many Christians do. This video offers a simple, step by step guide on how one can make sense of the Trinity.

YouTube Mirror: The Trinity – A Simple Explanation

This clip is taken from a debate between Mr. Joe Ventilacion of Iglesia Ni Cristo and Mr. Chauncey Killens of Church of God in Christ. This is from the first cross-examination of the debate, where Mr. Ventilacion had the opportunity to ask Mr. Killens about his opening statement which defended the doctrine of the Trinity as being Biblical. The debate took place in Salina (California, USA) on February 27th, 2010.

and God knows best.

[Live] Debate: Is the Crucifixion a Fact?

Today at 2 PM (EST – New York, Trinidad), 7 PM (GMT – London) Br. Aqil Onque will be debating Pastor Angelos Kyriakides on the topic of the Crucifixion. The stream will go live on YouTube at the above mentioned times.

Questions for the debaters can be submitted in the YouTube Live video’s chat and will be read to the debaters during the Question and Answer session. Please indicate whether you are a Christian or a Muslim at the start of your question. Not all questions are guaranteed to be asked and the length of the Question and Answer session is dependent upon the debaters’ discretion.

and God knows best.

Upcoming Double Debate Weekend

 

This weekend, two debates are happening between Br. Aqil (Radush Shubuhaat) and Mr. Chris Claus. Details are as follows:

YouTube Mirror.

Debate #1: Does the Bible Teach That Jesus is God?
Date and Time: Saturday 18th February, 6 PM EST.

Debate #2: Is Muhammad (ﷺ) Prophesied About in the Torah and Injeel?
Date and Time: Sunday 19th February, 6 PM EST.

Format:

  • 15 minute Opening Statement (each)
  • 7 minute Rebuttals (each)
  • 5 minute Rebuttals (each)
  • 15 minute Cross Examination (each, with 1 minute for the questioner and answerer)
  • 10 minute Cross Examination (each, with 1 minute for the questioner and answerer)
  • 5 minute Closing (each)

Both debates will be held on the MAP Zoom Room, the link will be posted via social media on the MAP Facebook Page and the Calling Christians Facebook Page, 15 minutes before the debates are scheduled to begin. The debates are also intended to be streamed via Facebook Live. You can check your timezone’s correlated time with that of the debate’s EST times here: World Time Buddy.

About Br. Aqil:

Aqil Onque was born and raised in New Jersey and became an avid student of knowledge as a late teenager. He studied and taught beginners Arabic, Tajweed and Islamic beliefs and practises to new Muslims extensively. He has studied with esteemed scholars in California at the Zaytuna Institude where he completed an intensive course on the Arabic language. He also traveled to Mauritania and was privileged to continue his studies under some of the most eminent Islamic scholars of that area. He is currently an active member of the local Masjid, where he conducts seasonal courses on Arabic and Islamic beliefs and practises. He also occasionally lectures at various neighbouring masjids.

About Mr. Claus:

Chris Claus used to be an Atheist and denied God’s existence. He came to Christianity through the miracle of healing. From that day on, he studied the scriptures. He has studied alongside his Pastor for over 8 years and has engaged in 8 formally moderated debates. He further says that, “God has brought this sinner to the place that I am able to defend our scriptures.”

and God knows best.

A Clear Conscience?

Recently my friend and colleague, Br. Aqil Onque debated Jonathan McLatchie on the Trinity Channel – yes, the same channel that his mentor Sam Shamoun accused of stealing money and misappropriating funds:

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Sam indicated that the Trinity channel was using donations to “fatten their pocket,” that is taking donations meant for evangelizing and managing the station, and instead using the money for their personal gain, i.e. theft. Yet, we find Jonathan openly promoting and working with the station. The question needs to be asked, did Sam Shamoun openly lie about his own Christian brothers and sisters at the Trinity channel, or is Jonathan colluding with Christians involved in fraud and theft? For those interested in inter-faith dialogue, the question of misusing religion for monetary gain or popularity seriously brings into doubt the actions of many Christian speakers, preachers and polemicists. As a Muslim, how can I trust what Sam Shamoun has to say if he is willing to fabricate claims about his own brothers and sisters in faith, or how can I trust someone who openly promotes a platform that engages in fraud and theft? Why Jonathan would knowingly promote a platform that engages in financial impropriety is a question he would have to answer himself.

Pursuant to this, I have to say that I am quite disappointed in the immaturity spouting from the Jonathan camp following his debate with Br. Aqil. I was shocked to see that both during and immediately following the debate, memes mocking and comments insulting Br. Aqil were shared to and posted on Jonathan’s Facebook profile. There is a stark difference between critiquing your opponent and openly insulting, mocking and ridiculing your opponent. While Jonathan himself did not post the offending comments or memes (photos), he did “like” them and did not remove them, nor did he caution his camp from such immature behaviour. This is surprising to me, because in the not so distant past, offensive memes ridiculing Jonathan were being shared on social media and I endeavoured quite greatly to not only stop the memes from being spread, but I also directly contacted Jonathan and expressed my disappointment and contempt with such behaviour from my Muslim brothers and sisters. To see that Jonathan would not only condone but engage in behaviour he himself found quite upsetting a month or two ago, is hypocritical to say the least.

In the end, we have to ask, do integrity, decency and maturity count for anything anymore?

and God knows best.

Br. Mansoor Stumps McLatchie

Br. Sarwar of Hyde Park has released one of the most entertaining videos of the year, Br. Mansoor running laps around McLatchie in discussing monotheism in the Bible and the Qur’an. McLatchie’s main line of argumentation was, “…in my debate with Dr. Shabir”. The brothers at Hyde Park were unsure whether McLatchie thought all brown people were the same (given his previous comments about Muslims) and Br. Mansoor had to clarify that he indeed was not Dr. Shabir, several times! Surprise guests include my friends Br. Hamid and Br. Paul of Blogging Theology.

The ending of the video is quite a pleasant one, Jonny becomes increasingly frustrated and angry with being asked to explain his reasoning and beliefs. After seemingly being unable to joust with Br. Mansoor, Jonny decided to storm off mid-discussion. Hilariously enough, after several days, Jonny messaged one of the Muslims in the above video saying he enjoyed the “banter”. He enjoyed it so much, he had to storm off. The Muslims at Hyde Park would like to thank Jonny for coming down and helping them in their da’wah efforts.

and Allah knows best.

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