Debate: “Did Jesus Rise From The Dead?” – Dr. Shabir Ally & John Tors


The debate is at the North York Chinese Baptist Church located at #685 Sheppard Avenue East in Toronto, Canada.

Topic: Did Jesus Rise From The Dead?

Date: Saturday 11th January 2020.

Debaters: Dr. Shabir Ally and Mr. John Tors.

The livestream is available at this link (YouTube) and this link (Church Website).

You can also stream the debate below:


Yours in Islam,
Br. Ijaz.

 

12 comments

  • Please tell your mentor to debate Christian Prince. Still waiting eagerly.

  • Sure thing, just let us know the event’s venue, let us know who the moderator would be and what the format of the debate is. A simple and proper academic debate.

  • Call Christian Prince now he will be there. It doesn’t matter what part of day or night. Call him

  • Like I said, a proper academic debate. We have a hall available 24/7. Call when you’re here.

  • These are just lame excuses, what hall when you can give your reference online and people will not get deceived. Let Shabbir Ally show his reference and Christian Prince will. You are just giving lame excuses to run away from debating .

  • The challenge is accepted, come to the hall and have a proper academic debate. Your excuses are absolutely ridiculous. CP can’t debate with knowledge, just Google and name-calling.

  • timatme@yahoo.com

    Mistake;Date: 11 November 2020

  • Thanks, it’s been corrected.

  • Akhi Ijaz have u looked into the questions I’ve sent to you via Gmail?

  • Christian Prince lies so much, even the Devil needs to take lessons from him.

    So he is not a worthwhile debate opponent, especially now that his pathological lieing has been systematically documented in this video series:

    We’re up to lie #85. Still waiting for replies from his fans.

  • here is a response to the people who say that they would have dragged out the body and exposed the lie

    :::::::::::Bradley Bowen :

    1. This ASSUMES without any proof that there were powerful people in Palestine in the years immediately following the crucifixion of Jesus who had a strong motivation to persuade or pressure the apostles to deny that they had physically seen the risen Jesus.
    2. This ASSUMES without any proof that ALL of the apostles actually and frequently faced attempts at bribery, and serious threats of imprisonment, torture, and death, specifically in order to make them recant their claim to have personally and physically seen the risen Jesus.
    What is the HISTORICAL EVIDENCE for these assumptions? The NT tells us very little about the lives of the apostles, especially about their lives after the alleged resurrection of Jesus. What the NT does say about the lives of the apostles is very questionable: written by unknown biased Christian authors, based on second or third-hand accounts, written several decades after the events in question, written in a time when historical accuracy and objectivity was of little concern, etc.
    3. Suppose that the apostles did face frequent and serious threats of “imprisonment, tortures and death” related to their Christian preaching; many of them might have been killed off or imprisoned BEFORE they had much of an opportunity to confess that their claim to have physically seen the risen Jesus was an intentional deception.
    This would likely have been the case if such threats were aimed at simply silencing them as opposed to making them recant their claims to have physically seen the risen Jesus. If most of the apostles were imprisoned or killed within a few years after the crucifixion of Jesus, then only the few who remained alive and free would need to keep the conspiracy a secret for the decades following the crucifixion of Jesus.
    The most natural response of powerful authorities who oppose a religious or ideological movement is to simply silence the leaders of the movement, and NOT to try to argue against the beliefs of the followers of the movement. It is difficult to persuade believers in a cause to change their religious or ideological beliefs, even if one has powerful evidence against those beliefs. It is easier to simply instill fear and to kill or imprison leaders in order to prevent the movement from spreading openly and publicly.
    4. What does the phrase “they would all have been lost” mean? Does this mean that the planned deception would have FAILED and the Christian movement would have quickly died out if just one apostle had recanted his testimony about physically seeing the risen Jesus?
    If the idea here is that all it would take is for just one apostle to say that the whole group of apostles had conspired to spread lies about physical appearances of the risen Jesus to the apostles, then this is another very questionable assumption, especially if bribery and/or death threats were commonplace for the apostles. The other apostles could have simply pointed to the constant pressure and threats that they faced and claimed that the one apostle had given in to temptation and lied about there being a conspiracy, in order to obtain a large bribe and/or to avoid “imprisonment, tortures and death”.

    That would have been a strong and persuasive response to this charge of “conspiracy”. To the extent that bribes and threats to the apostles to motivate them to recant their testimony were serious and frequent, that would provide an excellent reason for believers to IGNORE the claim of one or two apostles that the resurrection appearance stories of the other apostles was an intentional deception. On the other hand, if such bribes and threats were implausible or infrequent, there would have been a good chance for the conspiracy to remain a secret.

  • here is a response to the people who say that they would have dragged out the body and exposed the lie

    Barry Jones :

    I would ask what historical evidence there is that Jesus’ enemies would give even two rats crap about him after he was dead. There’s none, so there’s no reason to think they’d keep watch at the cemetery and care where exactly Jesus was buried, so they likely didn’t showcase the corpse because they didn’t know where the body was.

    What fool would rob a grave of the corpse merely because some of his idiot followers claim the grave became empty by resurrection?

    I also observe that there isn’t any NT evidence that the “Jews” even knew where Jesus was buried. Allegedly the Romans gave permission to Joseph of Arimathea to take the body, but there are no statements that anybody outside Joe, his “guard”, and some disciples knew where he was buried or which specific tomb he was placed in at the cemetery. That does not equate to so many people knowing where Jesus was buried as to justify expecting “the Jews” to dig up the body to refute the resurrection claim.

    The fact that the “Jews” were mostly in favor of killing Jesus (Mathew 27:25) might suggest either that they became so satisfied with his death that they would not likely continue having enough interest in him to learn where his corpse went, or

    they hated Jesus so much they also felt his corpse should be disposed of, so that if Joe buried the body, numerous people hateful of Jesus would have known the location of the corpse…which then raises the probability that his enemies might have moved the body, perhaps even to wheel the corpse around to disprove the resurrection. Christians are simply arguing from a rather nebulous silence when they ask “why didn’t the Jews produce the corpse?” For all they know, they did, and like most other events in the 1st century, it wasn’t recorded.

    And like so many other Christian events in the 1st century, Acts whitewashes whatever Luke wants in order to make Paul look as credible as possible.

    Either way, the 1st Corinthians 15:3-4 “creed” has no historical basis, as Paul says he “received” that gospel, and in Galatians 1:1, 11-12, he specifies that this did not involve input from anybody else.

    So what Paul “recieved” and “passed on” to the Corinthians was a gospel he obtained solely by divine telepathy. Hence, it cannot possibly function as historical “evidence”, except in the pointless sense that Paul made such a claim.

    The historical fact that James the Lord’s brother was held in the highest esteem by the non-Christian Jews, along with the non-existent evidence that he ever actually “converted” to Christainity, along with the strong evidence that he committed the unpardonable sin (Mark 3:21) strongly suggests that James did not ever confront the Jews with Jesus’ gospel, nor preach that god raised him from the dead.

    That is, a major player in earliest Christianity likely had no motive to preach the resurrection.

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