Refutation: The Quran’s inaccurate description of the Trinity


Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

Chessie Edwards love appealing to Sam Shamoun, he doesn’t have room to think for himself, his entire website is literally a text form for the long winded and ignorant speeches that Sam gives on ABN Sat. Almost every other argument he presents is verbatim from the mouth of Sam with the addition of, “I’m an Ex-Muslim”, as if that phrase adds any additional validity to his inane claims. Neither Sam nor Chessie are well educated in Christian theological history, at best they are internet scholars, if Google or Wikipedia ever goes offline we won’t be able to hear a single new argument. To be quite honest, none of Sam’s arguments are new either, just read a few of William Muir’s books or Abraham Geiger’s works or some of Raymond Lull’s writings against Islam and you’ve pretty much heard all the missionary rants. Most missionaries enjoy stating that the Qur’aan got the trinity wrong. Let’s refute this claim and in doing so, refute Sam as well.

The Qur’aan says:

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.

Christians assert that they don’t take Mary as a God, therefore the Qur’aans claim is wrong. However a simple but substantial and formidable refutation to this is to prove one of two cases:

(1) To show atleast one Christian aligned sect which engaged in Mary worship or took Mary as a God.
(2) To show where a majority of Christian sects worship Mary or took Mary as a God.

The premise the Qur’aan operates under, or the modus operandi, the operational term, deities, i.e. Gods [إِلَـٰهَيْنِ]. In Islamic theology, to take something or someone as a God, beside Allaah is termed Shirk. There are many ways to commit Shirk, it can be through worship, through seeking intercession, by praying to someone beside God, or even attributing God’s attributes to anything other than God. For example if God is All Knowing, but I say that Mary is all knowing, then in this case I would have committed shirk. With this in mind, can I demonstrate anywhere in Christian theology where Shirk [associating God’s attributes to Mary] occurs?

Proving: (1) To show atleast one Christian aligned sect which engaged in Mary worship or took Mary as a God.

The Catholic Encyclopedia states, “The existence of the obscure sect of the Collyridians, whom St. Epiphanius (d. 403) denounces for their sacrificial offering of cakes to Mary, may fairly be held to prove that even before the Council of Ephesus there was a popular veneration for the Virgin Mother which threatened to run extravagant lengths.” This by itself proves my first premise, that there was a group of Christians, the Collyridians of whom engaged in rampant worship of Mary. As famous Catholic speaker Patrick Madrid as defined them:

The heresy of the Collyridians was very simple: They worshiped Mary.

Whether or not Sam Shamoun or Chessie Edwards considers the Collyridians as Christian does not matter. They are seen as a heretical Christian sect and as such, their worship of Mary complies with the Qur’aanic claim.

Proving: (2) To show where a majority of Christian sects worship Mary or took Mary as a God.

What’s unknown to most missionary zealots is the clear cut Mary worship involved in today’s prominent Christian sects, i.e. Catholicism and Protestantism. It might seem odd, or unclear to most Christians, but the focal point of Christendom revolves around sin. In this light, we have to recall the Immaculate Conception, this refers to the conception of Mary. For Jesus to have been born sinless, he had to be rid of the original sin and to be born free of the original sin, you cannot be born through the womb of a woman. However this problem is solved in Christian theology by God granting Mary a special mercy or blessing, where she is pure and sinless and thus does not carry on the original sin to her child, Jesus.

However, the early Christian church in inventing the idea of the Immaculate Conception, attributed God like features to Mary:

The salutation of the angel Gabriel — chaire kecharitomene, Hail, full of grace (Luke 1:28) indicates a unique abundance of grace, a supernatural, godlike state of soul, which finds its explanation only in the Immaculate Conception of Mary. But the term kecharitomene (full of grace) serves only as an illustration, not as a proof of the dogma.

Her state is unique, supernatural and godlike. This, coming from the Catholic Encyclopedia, as evidence from the Bible of Mary’s Immaculate Conception. Yet, from the Bible, they are implying her soul is like the “soul of God”, they are in essence comparing her to God or attributing to her, God like features. This constitutes Shirk, thus proving point (2). Yet it does not end there, the polytheistic quotes continue:

she was created in a condition more sublime and glorious than all other natures. – Theodorus of Jerusalem in Mansi, XII, 1140.

To St. Ephraem she was as innocent as Eve before her fall, a virgin most estranged from every stain of sin, more holy than the Seraphim, the sealed fountain of the Holy Ghost, the pure seed of God, ever in body and in mind intact and immaculate. – Carmina Nisibena.

Conclusion:

Seeing as both points are proven above, then the claim that the Qur’aan asserts, that of Mary being taken as a God in Christendom has been proven valid and to be truthful. Sam’s biggest claim to refute the Qur’aanic statement was that Mary had been attributed to the Trinity, yet this was not the Qur’aanic assertion, the Qur’aanic statement had to do with Mary being taken as a God. Since the claim has been proven true, it rests upon Sam Shamoun to either publicly correct himself for his doctrinal error or as I expect, for him to deny the evidences and ignore this refutation.

wa Allaahu Alam.
[and God knows best.]

6 comments

  • بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    The Quran is right in rejecting Jesusolatry as wll as Mariolatry as the orthodox view true of trinitarian dogma evolved and this doctrine itself is very late development.

    The Quran consider ALL form of human worship is wrong. Shirk. It dont care whether it is your form of trinitarian Christianity or the mary worship.

    The Catholics still worship Mary (p). People worship to something they consider her the mother of God and something Divine

    As for the Collyridians apparently this church survives to this day:

    http://eternalfeminine.wikispaces.com/Collyridian+Ecumenical+Episcopal+Convocation which is considered Ecumenical chruch by the way.

    Wassalam

  • i remember hearing on bbc news 24 at the end of 2004 catholic christians stuck in the destructive tsunami were calling out to mary to deliver them into safety.any honest person can see that the qur’aan is not treating the 2 items as co-equals with Allah, nowhere did it use andad for the 2 items

    “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’”

    interesting to note that nowhere is qur’aan interested in whether one god has a HIGHER rank than the other god, from the Qur’aans perspective doing shirk with god, regardless if your created gods have higher ranks or not, is evil.

    from the Qur’aanic perspective only Allah is the One true GoD AND all else is His creation so it is asking creation to have FIRM trust/ faith in the One true creator , no wonder the holy book has beef with polythiesm , polytheists are dependent upon items like christian god is kind of like a catholic who NEEDS his works IN flesh as an INTERMEDIARY between himself and human beings.

  • It is likely that Mohammed was acquainted with pseudo-Christians who held heretical views about Mary and picked up wrong ideas from them.

    The Catholic and Orthodox churches wrongly teach the veneration of saints and wrongly permit images, supposedly as aids for worship — they wrongly claim this is not worship contrary to God’s commandments. It is questionable whether someone who follows all the tenets of the Catholic church is actually a Christian; since they apparently are taught that they need to trust in the church rather than in Jesus for salvation it is likely that such people are not saved at all. They call Mary “Queen of Heaven”, which is actually a pagan title that goes back to Babylon.

    So I have no desire to defend the teachings of such churches. Rather, the Quran has a false view of what the scripture teaches concerning God. “Trinity” is a word that summarises the biblical teaching about God, which is that he is three persons completely united in one God. God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit; each person is fully God, yet God is one. This is beyond human understanding but is indubitably what the bible teaches. Within the godhead, the Son honours and defers to the Father as a perfect human son would honour and defer to his father; the Holy Spirit seeks always to glorify the Son. There is not the slightest hint of conflict or disagreement between the persons of God, but instead there is perfect eternal love.

    As for Mary, she was an ordinary woman, a sinner like all of us, for she herself said, “My soul magnifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my saviour” (Luke 1:46-47) – if she needed a saviour she must have been a sinner. But inherited sin comes from the father, not the mother. (“For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Corinthians 15:22) So there was no need for God to make her sinless from conception, nor did he in fact do so.

  • Mary was god like in respect to her grace and purity and catholics believe because of this she has a special role in the church nut the church has never come close to teaching she is a godess. Queen of heaven and mother of god ate just titles given to her given her status as her mother of the saviour and as an exalted saint. If you had bothrred to read the catechism of thr catholic church you would know it teaches devotion to mary who jears the prayers of believers but not adoration which is only for god. The catholic church has never taught that mary was devine and St Epiphanius condemned that belief practiced in atabia in the 5th century. You greatly misunderstand catholic theology. No catholics have worshiped mary as part of the trinity

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