Debate: Sam Shamoun vs Ijaz Ahmad, “Is Masjid al Haram in Makkah?”
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,
I can’t necessarily call this a debate, as Sam Shamoun would ask me 5 – 6 questions, give me 10 seconds to answer and then spend 5 minutes at a time calling me names such as punk, idiot, fool, child, deceiver etc. The video length is roughly 30 minutes, in total Sam speaks for about 25 minutes and I speak for maybe 3 minutes. In the 3 minutes I was allowed to speak by Sam, I proved that Masjid al Haram is the Masjid in Makkah. You can see my write out of events here. Unfortunately, Sam did not want me to speak and simply denied everything I said while insulting me for most of the time I spent in the room with him. At the end of the video, in the final 3 minutes, Sam explains that this is a method he employs against Muslims who write against his religion. The truth is, Sam Shamoun is unable to have an intelligent discussion and that when faced with a formidable opponent, he must silence them and forbid them from speaking in response to his claims. Unfortunately for Sam, despite his petulant tactics, his rabid diatribe, his curses, mockery, insults, and abuses, I kept my cool and provided ample evidences to refute his infantile arguments, while not returning any insults to him or cutting him off from speaking as he did to me.
You can read a full read out of my arguments and Sam’s questions located here. You can watch the ‘dialogue’ below, I’ve included video annotations for viewers to take note of Sam’s deception, silly insults and 3 – 4 minute tirades after giving me at the most 20 seconds to answer a question, thereby he then spends 5 minutes insulting me:
wa Allaahu ‘Alam.
I’m wondering what “sincere Muslims” mean to Sam! Perhaps they are those who believe his wicked lies?
And he keeps calling us Mohammedans because of his jealousy of us submitting to God instead of being related to another human being (which all other religions are about).
Where can I find him so I can ask him questions? lol I wanna see how he treats me.
You can reach him at:
in this place of the world youtube dont load we need to use proxy can you give me the link to the vid bro Ijaz ? then i can use the proxy site to get it
shamoun has done more damaged to the christianity , it is a blessing in disguise to have an opponent like him
Sham Sha-moon is a waste, he is a disgrace, he doesn’t know what he is talking about.
Why didnt you answer the question Sam asked you 4 times and you still didnt answer the question, Im not defending Sam but to be honest you still didnt do yourself justice, and Muslims come on and back you up.
I know for sure that Jerusalem is not even mentioned by name in the Koran.
Sorry, but I did answer his question, see Qur’aan 48:24, 25 and 27. When I gave this answer he then claimed verse 25 did not relate to verse 24, how he arrived at this conclusion I do not know.
I don’t see how you would think that I did not answer his question, I clearly did, after all, I only had 10 seconds to do so before being dotted again.
Where is the city Jerusalem mentioned by name in the Koran? How do you reconcile the mosque with the city? Surely the name of the city should be mentioned
Don’t switch the topic just as yet, it’s time to face reality and defend yourself for a change. You said that the ayats I presented did not answer Sam’s question. Therefore I would like you to prove that 48:24-25 did not answer Sam’s claim.
Don’t worry I’m not asking the question for a reason, ok when was the mosque Masjid al Haram built what year?
Then we can do business.
Again, you’re changing the topic. My question refers to your very first comment, keep up please. You stated my response in using 48:24-25 did not answer the question of the Sacred Mosque being in Makkah. Can you justify your claim or not?
You are going off the topic again. I have asked you a very simple question and I have allowed your comments but you insist on changing the topic so I will not approve your last comment.
It’s simple, man up and prove your claim. Prove to me that Qur’aan 48:24-25 does not say that Masjid al Haram is in Makkah, if not, then just admit you lied for the sake of your Lord.
may ALLAH bless u brother ^_^ he is a psyco cant have a formal real debate
He keeps repeating about him being logical, like he just came to hear about logic now and makes him a big shot by saying so.
Does Shamoum expect that all his questions should be answered in that one single verse in such construct of sentence that would be a response to his question in specific ? Maybe Quran should also spell out Shamouns name too otherwise he wouldn’t know the who the verse was responding too ?
shamon is stupid liar as well as ignorant about koran and Islam as I will prove .
starting with verse 48 24
And it is He who withheld their hands from you and your hands from them within [the area of] Makkah after He caused you to overcome them. And ever is Allah of what you do, Seeing.
so from the verse we can know their and them refer to the Mushriks of Mecca
it continues by saying
They are the ones who disbelieved and obstructed you from al-Masjid al-Haram while the offering was prevented from reaching its place of sacrifice. And if not for believing men and believing women whom you did not know – that you might trample them and there would befall you because of them dishonor without [your] knowledge – [you would have been permitted to enter Makkah]. [This was so] that Allah might admit to His mercy whom He willed. If they had been apart [from them], We would have punished those who disbelieved among them with painful punishment
The pronoun they refer to Mushriks of Mecca and it says that they obstructed Muslims from Masjid al Haram therefore this masjid got to be in city of Mecca and not else where as dummy shamon claimed to be in Medina LOL how could it be when we know that Mushriks of Mecca had no authorirty in Medina in order to be able to obstruect Muslims in that city furthermore the mosque in Medina was known as masjid nabawi . This man is so ignorant needs some slaping on the necks and pulling his ears too LOL.
Koran goes on 48 27
Certainly has Allah showed to His Messenger the vision in truth. You will surely enter al-Masjid al-Haram, if Allah wills, in safety, with your heads shaved and [hair] shortened, not fearing [anyone]. He knew what you did not know and has arranged before that a conquest near [at hand].
The only place where peligrin enter with their heads shaved is in Mecca therefore we can conclude the masjid haram is located in Mecca .
Stupid shamon wants the koran put it exactly like this ( Masjid Haram is located in Mecca ) sorry pagan man you cannot teach God how to write his speech plus koran is not book of history or geography . If you read these verses above and could not come to the conclusion that Masjid Haram is located in Mecca then I will have to say your IQ score must be the lowest ever in the history of America LOL
Incredible… this made my head hurt:
2:18 – “Deaf, dumb and blind – so they will not return [to the right path].”
I, too, have been accused of attempting to ‘wax eloquent’ by our dear brother…
MashAllah Good brother kaleef MayALLAH WITH U ALL BROTHERS
He kept calling the word “Sincere Question” when he himself wasn’t serious about a dialogue during the whole thing, whatever it is called but debate.