Refutation: Where Does Moses Prophesy of Jesus’ Coming?
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,
AO Ministry’s Francis Turretin, wasn’t too fond my recent exchange with a Christian missionary. In my exchange, my question essentially was, what was YHWH’s purpose for revealing the Law, according to the Torah itself. Subsequent to this, the missionary claimed that the purpose of the Law was to foretell the coming of Jesus the Christ, I asked for some evidence of this and sadly that particular missionary could not provide any. To his rescue!? If I may call it that is Francis who says:
“There are doubtless many ways in which Moses pointed to Jesus’ coming. The most obvious and explicit one is this:
The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; according to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
- The brothers (‘ach in Hebrew) of the Israelites are any of the descendants of Abraham, inclusive of the Arabs.
- This verse is not a Messianic Prophecy.
- His application of it as a Messianic Prophecy is based on the fallacy of post-hoc eisegesis.
- Did Christ send himself, or was he sent by God? As it says ‘God will raise…’, not, ‘the Son’, ‘the Word’, ‘the Mashiach’ or, ‘Immanuel’, would raise himself.
- Did Christ ever speak as a God? If so, then did he speak on behalf of his own identity as a son-God or as the verse says solely on behalf of the Father-God? As it is says, ‘I will put my words in his mouth…’.
- Did Christ give divine commands as a son-God or did he solely obey the will of the Father-God? As it says, ‘and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him‘.
- Finally, the last line explicitly states that the words the person in the verse being referred to will speak God’s words, as it says, ‘in my name‘ and that God will, ‘require it of him’. Was Christ required as a deity to do the will of another deity?
Sorry Francis, unfortunately your archaic Christian response based on post-hoc eisegesis of the Messiah’s mission will not aid your cause here. You’ve raised more problems than solutions and atleast for the better part of things, given us Muslims believable reasons to reject the dual nature of Christ according to these passages.
Still the question remains unanswered: ‘What does YHWH Say the Purpose of the Law Is?‘ and as a consequential question for our missionary friends, ‘Where does Moses say the Law is to Prophesy About Jesus?‘.
wa Allaahu ‘Alam.
I thought it was meant to Muhammad?
if you know what the bible says about Jesus you will realise that he is described as the following…The Son, King,Priest,Prophet,Saviour
you quote these verses trying prove what? I can give you very good reasons why I think it could Elijah the prophet.
answer me this question…where in the Koran did Jesus ever or actually say that he is the Messiah?
your point 1.
if you read the context of the chapter you will see if you are truthful that it has nothing to do with anyone except the Jews.
your point 2.
who said it was prophecy to do with the Messiah? the text is talking about a prophet AND Jesus fulfilled the role of a prophet which Muslims testify to that fact.
I didn’t finish what I wanted to say because it seems to me like Muslims are trying to replace Jesus in the bible with Muhammad.
I saw in a book written by an apostate of christianity who became a Muslim and he wrote a book and called…Muhammad in the bible.
I don’t know why because he is not in the bible and out of desperation he even mentioned a verse in the bible that has nothing to do with Muhammad and a book where the koran does not say he will be mentioned ( so someone is lying)
This is the way that Moses speaks about Jesus and you can respond how you want but he is never prove he is in our scriptures.
MOSES SPOKE OF JESUS.
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
But it is what Moses wrote that is in question here. My question is how did Moses write about Jesus
Moses wrote many things that foreshadowed the coming of the Messiah.
Most Muslims want an answer as to when does Moses speaks of Jesus and its sad because you are not consistent when it comes to your own religion and prophet.
Where does Jesus say in the koran that he is the Messiah? He does not but you believe it.
1. Jesus is the Passover lamb.
Lets look at the way Jesus is spoken and revealed by Moses in the Torah.
Jesus is, indeed, the Passover Lamb, as those who put their faith in His death and the blood He shed are rescued from the judgment that is to come.
A. Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Exo 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
B. Exo 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
Exo 12:13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
2. Jesus is the bread from heaven.
Exo 16:14 And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.
Exo 16:15 And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
3. Jesus the water from the rock.
Exo 17:4 And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, What shall I do unto this people? they be almost ready to stone me.
Exo 17:5 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go on before the people, and take with thee of the elders of Israel; and thy rod, wherewith thou smotest the river, take in thine hand, and go.
Exo 17:6 Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
4. Jesus being lifted on the cross.
Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
5 Jesus the seed of the woman.
Gen 3:15 📝 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
6. Jesus the prophet to come
Let us get one thing straight before i carry on Muhammad didn’t come in the name of YHWH he came in the name of Allah.
Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deu 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
Deu 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Joh 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Why are they asking a Jew ( John the Baptist) if he is the prophet if the prophet is meant to an Arab?
Joh 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Joh 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
Joh 7:40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
If you guys are the ones posting all these things we are just responding to what is being said, but because of your religious pride and say things like Christians don’t know what they are talking about.
This is not just about academics the men that Jesus chose were not Rabbi’s but that does not mean they were stupid.
there are some Muslims that believe that because some Christians respond that don’t know a lot they try to tar every Christian with the same brush.
Your question on the law
One reason why God gave the Law was to establish Israel as a unique people, directing their minds towards his thoughts and ways, so that other nations would admire them, fear them, and fol- low them. This Law disciplined the people in divine thinking. It brought God to the mind of the people in every way—in the home, in their education, in the field, in the workshop, and in their daily (not just weekly) Sabbath day worship.
The Law very effectively revealed that human beings were sinners before God and in need of redemption. There was no hope of life apart from the promised Messiah, for no man was able to live a life without committing sin.
But above all, the Law was designed to direct the nation to Christ, the promised redeemer. It was this one great offering that God had promised in the covenants made in Eden, and to Abraham, and which was fulfilled in Christ.
There are obviously a lot more that could be said but you haven’t answered my previous response so I’ll just wait for you to respond.
Hey, just letting you know I saw your comment and will reply once I get some free time.