Discussion with a Maronite Priest: Part 2

In another discussion with the Maronite Priest and his crew, the following happened –

Jesus Curses a Fig Tree Mark 11: 12-14

“12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it.”

Summary:
a) Jesus was hungry.
b) He saw a fig tree.
c) The tree was had no fruits because it was out of season.
d) Jesus got angry and cursed the tree

We asked why would Jesus curse a tree that was out of season ? Didn’t the (all knowing) Jesus know it was out of season ?

Our dear priest’s response, was that Jesus was teaching his disciples, Jesus pretended to be angry…, so that he may teach: whoever comes on Judgement day without fruits will be damned. Yet, to us even the tree should have provided fruits for Jesus the ‘god’. I responded and asked, what was the lesson behind Jesus cursing the tree ? … What lesson is to be understood : That God is to expect something from us that we don’t have the capability of achieving and when we don’t achieve it we are cursed ?

Is a farmer expected to be a rocket scientist and when he is unable to achieve this he is cursed ? Unfortunately we got the same response as before which lead to nowhere.

Discussion with a Maronite Priest: Part 1

Yesterday we had a 3 hour discussion with a Maronite priest and 2 of his companions.  After failing to deny that Jesus was a man, we asked what makes Jesus divine and the answer was: “because he performed miracles that no one else did.” At this point we were thinking “we had him cornered“, so we said: what miracles?  The reply was that he had raised the dead.

What a typical answer!

So we said, Elijah raised the dead:

Elijah raised the son of the Zarephath widow from the dead (1 Kings 17:17-22).

His “strange” reply was that the boy had been dead for few hours, the man that Jesus raised was dead for four days. To make it more strange, his companion affirmed that it is not the same kind of miracle. After a long discussion we couldn’t figure out why is it that they believed that if you raise someone who has been dead for less than four days, it doesn’t count as “raising the dead“, but if the person has been dead for four days then that makes you a God.

(thinking about this now, we should have pointed out that they believe Jesus died for three days, i.e. it doesn’t count since it’s not four days). Figuring out there is no reasoning about the “4 days” minimum requirement we pointed out that a man came alive by touching Elisha’s bones (2 Kings 13:20-21). An objective/honest observer would definitely agree that a dead man raising another dead man exceeds a living man raising a dead man, but I guess “objectivity/honesty” serve as the key words here, as we got nothing from the priest and his affirming companions that concluded that Jesus’ four days miracle was better/mightier.

 

Breaking News: Rapture Delayed

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

I found this to be quite funny, a Christian on Facebook seemed to be a bit too enthusiastic about the rapture and decided it was just about to happen, as if it were moments away. Sadly, it’s been posted since lunch time and it’s around night time now, I don’t have the heart to tell this guy that the rapture isn’t going to happen tonight. Would anyone like to do it?

Infernoz Flamz

 

I almost feel sort of embarrassed for the guy! Then I remembered he was a Christian and the only way he gets through life is to believe the rapture is imminently upon us. Unfortunately, most Christians who are over excessive in their excitement of the rapture fit into the mould of those who forget that no one knows when it is going to happen, not even Jesus knew. It must be depressing to wake up everyday and believe that the rapture is going to happen and going to bed knowing it hasn’t.

wa Allaahu ‘Alam.

Response to David Wood’s, “Who killed Muhammad”? – by Bassam Zawadi

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

Our favourite court jester/ pseudo academic, David Wood of the Answering Muslims blog has been decimated in a response to him by the erudite da’ee, Br. Bassam Zawadi of the Call to Monotheism website.

David Wood the Voyeur Wearing Women's Lingerie - Self Admitted Cross Dresser

David Wood the Voyeur Wearing Women’s Lingerie – Self Admitted Cross Dresser

 

In a recent video, the cross dresser David Wood (pictured above) tried to attack Muhammad (peace be upon him) with a flurry of spurious and quite dishonest arguments revolving around the ayat which say:

And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings, We would have seized him by the right hand; Then We would have cut from him the aorta. – 69:44-46.

and the hadith from Saheeh Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 713 & Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 39 where the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

‘Umar bin Al-Khattab used to let Ibn Abbas sit beside him, so ‘AbdurRahman bin ‘Auf said to ‘Umar, “We have sons similar to him.” ‘Umar replied, “(I respect him) because of his status that you know.” ‘Umar then asked Ibn ‘Abbas about the meaning of this Holy Verse:– “When comes the help of Allah and the conquest of Mecca . . .” (110.1)

Ibn ‘Abbas replied, “That indicated the death of Allah’s Apostle which Allah informed him of.” ‘Umar said, “I do not understand of it except what you understand.”

Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O ‘Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”

If you’re a Muslim who has heard this argument, or if you’re a Christian and have learned this argument from either the cross dressing David Wood or the foul mouthed Sham Shamoun, then I’d strongly advise you read Br. Bassam’s eloquent and informative article on this ‘issue’. Click here to go to Br. Bassam’s article.

wa Allaahu ‘Alam.

Does Qur’an validate Bible?

Does Qur’an validate Bible?

A response to Sam Shamoun’s critique: Qur’an Error – Were Jesus’ Disciples Muslims?

 

Part1

 

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Introduction

 

Christian evangelists and missionaries apply a standard argument upon Muslims that the Qur’an “validates” Bible! They especially use this argument against Muslims who are uninitiated in missionary tactics. Once a gullible Muslim is sufficiently duped into this cunning deception, “winning souls” into Christianity is not far off [1.].

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Pastor Claims the Holy Spirit is in his Genitals, Convinces Congregation to Perform Sexual Acts

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

At Calling Christians, we’ve read some disturbing stuff but this incident takes the cake. 2013 is off to a very sadistic start. Evangelical Pastor Sobrino Valdeci Picanto from Brazil convinced his congregation that the Holy Spirit was in his genitals and the only way to please God and to receive the Holy Spirit was to allow him to ejaculate on the members of his congregation. Referring to his sexual secretions as ‘divine milk from the Holy Spirit‘, eager to please Jesus, many performed sexual acts to ‘receive the divine milk of the Holy Spirit‘.

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He had effectively duped his congregation to believe that the Holy Spirit would only come onto the Church members, through his ejaculation of the divine milk. The Spanish News Website, QUE! says the following:

” He convinced us that only God could come into our lives through the mouth and why he was going to do what he did. Often, after worship, Pastor Valdeci arrived to take us to the part of the funds back to the church and asked us to do oral sex on him until the Holy Spirit comes through ejaculation “.

If that’s not horrible, this would make you sick:

“The truth is that this man is now in jail where he said when he was arrested, intends to continue watering with sacred milk to his cellmates.”

You can read the original article here in Spanish. Parental oversight is advised before visiting this website. This sort of behaviour comes as no surprise as it is a fact that Christianity has always had a fascination with genitalia, specifically male genitalia, as is noted in their vast history. Wonder what David Wood and Sham Shamoun would have to say about this!

wa Allaahu ‘Alam.

The Apostle Paul’s Disobedience of Jesus in Matthew 5:22

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

In the alleged Gospel of Matthew we read the following:

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.Matthew 5:22.

Clearly, Jesus is allegedly saying this verse as a warning not to call someone a fool. If you do call someone a fool, you’d be liable to enter the fires of hell. That’s a serious punishment. However, everyone’s favourite pseudo Apostle somehow decided he was brave enough to disobey Christ, his alleged deity and saviour. We read in 2 Corinthians the following:

 I repeat, let no one think me foolish. But even if you do, accept me as a fool, so that I too may boast a little. What I am saying with this boastful confidence, I say not as the Lord would but as a fool. Since many boast according to the flesh, I too will boast. For you gladly bear with fools,being wise yourselves! For you bear it if someone makes slaves of you, or devours you, or takes advantage of you, or puts on airs, or strikes you in the face. To my shame, I must say, we were too weak for that! But whatever anyone else dares to boast of—I am speaking as a fool—I also dare to boast of that. – 2 Corinthians 11:16-21.

 I have been a fool! You forced me to it, for I ought to have been commended by you. – 2 Corinthians 12:11.

Either it is that Paul intentionally disobeyed Christ, or he intentionally disobeyed Christ by calling himself a fool. If Paul saw himself as a Christian, then he would have known that Christ forbade such labelling upon any Christian! This presents us with an issue, as the reason Christ forbade anyone from using such a term is because it was commonly used to describe idolaters:

Thou fool – This term expressed more than want of wisdom. It was expressive of the highest guilt. It had been commonly used to denote those who were idolaters Deuteronomy 22:21, and also one who is guilty of great crimes,Joshua 7:15; Psalm 14:1. – Barne’s Notes on the Bible, Matthew 5.

Paul therefore has done the following:

  1. Paul sees himself as a Christian.
  2. Paul is  a Pharisee and knows the Old Testament well.
  3. Jesus forbids calling a Christian by the title of fool.
  4. The title of fool is commonly attributed to idolaters in the Old Testament.
  5. Since #1 is true, then Paul willingly disobeys Christ’s command in #3.
  6. Since #5 is true, then Paul is an open sinner against Christ.
  7. Since #2 and #4 is true, then Paul knows he is attributing the title of ‘idol worshipper’ to himself.
  8. Since #5, #6 and #7 is true we can logically conclude that Paul is openly rejecting the words of Christ, and knowingly calling himself as an idolater and rejects the title of being a Christian.

This therefore leaves Christians in a precarious position, for if they continue to believe that Paul is a Christian, they are contradicting his own words where he calls himself by a title commonly reserved for idol worshippers and are thus rejecting Paul’s description of himself. Another problem is if they endorse Paul’s use of the title and his writing’s inclusion in the New Testament as a scripture, then they are endorsing the work of an idolater who openly opposes Christ. Either Christians must reject Paul for what he calls himself, or they reject Christ in lieu of Paul. Whichever choice they make, they have no conclusion but to realise that Paul is in clear error.

wa Allaahu ‘Alam.

The Problem of Colossians 4:16

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

In the following quote, we read that the alleged Apostle Paul, commands his followers to read one of his epistles that he sent to another town:

And when this letter has been read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and see that you also read the letter from Laodicea. – Colossians 4:16.

The problem with this verse is that the Epistle to Laodicea no longer exists, therefore the scripture (according to Christians) of Colossians 4:16 is commanding the impossible. This raises a bigger issue, and to explain it we need another quote from New Testament:

“All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God  may be complete, equipped for every good work.” – 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

According to Sham Shamoun, this verse refers to Paul’s letters in general as scripture:

“Since all the letters where Paul claimed inspiration preceded the writing of 1 and 2 Timothy, we can safely infer that these epistles would have also been included among the Scriptures that Paul said were breathed out by God; an inference which the apostle Peter himself makes:

“Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.” 2 Peter 3:15-16″

This reasoning therefore exacerbates the problem of scriptural self contradiction, emendation and rejection. How so? To be quite honest, if Paul’s words are inspired by God and are therefore scripture and as scripture it is commanding Christians to read a certain letter, yet that letter does not exist, we’re in a bit of a conundrum here. If we consider the letter of Laodicea to be scripture according to Sam’s interpretation of 2 Timothy and in light of 2 Timothy itself, then the Christian faith has dug itself into a ditch. Allow me explain:

  1. Paul’s words are seen as scripture.
  2. All scripture is profitable and useful for teaching and guidance, according to 2 Timothy.
  3. If #2 is true, then Colossians 4:16 is false as it is not profitable as the Epistle to Laodicea does not exist.
  4. Since Colossians 4:16 is false, then #1 cannot be true since it does not fulfil the condition of #2.
  5. Since #1 and #2 are false, then the New Testament thus far cannot be seen as scripture.
  6. Since #3 is true, then why do Christians continue to believe it to be scripture?

Considering that logic is not the best friend of our friends at Answering Islam or Answering Muslims, I need to establish my point a bit more simply. In context of 2 Tim. 3:16, Paul’s letters are scripture and are therefore useful for teaching. Paul’s letter commands the impossible and thus is useless. Since it is useless than 2 Tim. 3:16 is false. Since 2 Tim. 3:16 is false, then as a whole, the New Testament is not trustworthy as it contradicts the very criteria under which it exists. Now, I’m assuming that I’m dealing with some thick headed people, so I’m going to bring to the forefront an even simpler argument. Colossians 4:16 commands us to read a scripture known as the Epistle to Laodicea, since Colossians 4:16 made it into the canon by YHWH’s will, then we have some bigger issues:

  1. YHWH was ignorant of what would happen to the Epistle to Laodicea.
  2. YHWH knew what would happen and chose to have 2 Tim. 3:16 contradict Paul.
  3. If #2 is true, then YHWH is deceitful as he is not the author of confusion see 1 Cor. 14:33.
  4. Since #3 is true, then the YHWH of the New Testament is not a true God by his own criteria/ Paul’s inspired writings.

So where does this leave the Christian religion? Either they have to forego Paul’s letters as worthless garbage in order to protect the dignity of YHWH, or they reject both YHWH as he contradicts the criteria of not being a God of confusion. If not, then rejecting both YHWH and Paul is the best solution as both contradict each other and themselves, as demonstrated above. Therefore due to simple logic, according to the Bible, Christians must reject the Bible, YHWH and Paul.

wa Allaahu ‘Alam.  

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