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The Historicity of the Kabaah

By Kaleef K. Karim.
Edited by Ijaz Ahmad (spelling, formatting, content, etc).

One of the recent things I have heard from Christian missionaries, when debating with them is that they say, the Ka’bah in Mecca where Muslims go for pilgrimage annually has no history before the advent of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). These ridiculous and fictitious claims have no basis whatsoever. I shall now bring forth evidences that Kabaah in Makah did exist before the coming of Muhammad (peace be upon him).

The Kabah stone In Mecca

Diodorus Siculus (Born: 90 BC – Died: 30 BC)

Diodorus Siculus was a Greek historian, who wrote works of history in the 1st Century BC. He is known for the monumental universal history Bibliotheca historica. Diodorus is the first known Historian long before the coming of Islam that makes mention of Mecca.

Reverend Charles Augustus Goodrich a Christian, was an American author and Congregational minister comments on Kaaba and Mecca, although, he is not fond of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), but he is sincere in admitting that Ka’bah existed at time of Patriarchs. He says:

“Among the variety of fabulous traditions which have been propagated by the followers of Mahomet, concerning the origin of this building, we find it asserted, that its existence is coeval with our parents, and that it was built by Adam, after his expulsion from paradise, from a representation of the celestial temple, which the almighty let down from heaven in curtains of light and placed in Mecca, perpendicular under the original. To this the patriarch was commanded to turn his face when he prayed, and to compass it by way of devotion, as the angels did the heavenly one. After the destruction of this temple by the deluge, it was rebuilt by Abraham and his son Ishmael on the same spot, and after the same model, according to directions, which they received by revelation; and since that time, it has continued to be the object of veneration to Ishmael’s descendants. Whatever discredit we may give to these, and other ravings of the Moslem imposter concerning the Caaba its high antiquity cannot be disputed; and the most probable account is, that it was built and used for religious purposes by some of the early patriarchs; and after the introduction of idols, it came to be appropriated to the reception of the pagan divinities. Diodorus Siculus, in his description of the cost of the Red Sea, mentions this temple as being, in his time, held in great veneration by all Arabians; and Pocoke informs us, that the linen or silken veil, with which it is covered, was first offered by a pious King of the Hamyarites, seven hundred years before the time of Mahomet.” [1]


John Reynell Morell says:

“…historically speaking, Mecca was a holy city long before Mohammed. Diodorus siculus, following agatharcides, relates that not far from the red sea, between the country of the Sabeans and of the Thamudites there existed a celebrated temple, venerated throughout Arabia.”[2]

Encyclopædia Britannica: Or, A Dictionary of Arts, sciences and Miscellaneous Literature, Edited by Colin Macfarquhar says:

“the science of astronomy was cultivated at Babylon; but the school of the Arabs was a clear firmament and a naked plain. In their nocturnal marches, they steered by the guidance of the stars: their names and order, daily station were familiar to the curiosity and devotion of the bedoween; and he was taught by experience to divide in 28 parts the Zodiac of the moon, and to bless the constellations who refreshed, with salutary rains, the thirst of the desert. The reign of the heavenly orbs could not be extended beyond the visible sphere; and some metaphorical powers were necessary to sustain the transmigration of the souls and the resurrection of bodies: a camel was left to perish on the grave, that he might serve his master in another life; and the invocation of departed spirits implies that they were still endowed with consciousness and power. Each tribe, each family, each independent warrior, created and changed the rites and the object of this fantastic worship; but the nation in every age has bowed to the religion as well as to the language, of Mecca. The genuine antiquity of the Caaba extends beyond the Christian era: in describing the coast of the Red Sea, the Greek historian Diodorus has remarked, between the Thamaudites and the Sabeans a famous temple, whose superior sanctity was revered by ALL THE ARABIANS: the linen or silken veil, which is annually renewed by the Turkish Emperor, was first offered by a pious King of the Homerites, who reigned 700 years before the time of Mahomet.“ [3]

Andrew Crichton also comments on the ‘Kabah’ in his book; ‘The history of Arabia, ancient and modern.’ He says:

“From the celebrity of the place, a vast concourse of pilgrims flocked to it from all quarters. Such was the commencement of the city and the superstitions fame of Mecca, the very name of which implies a place of great resort. Whatever credit may be due to these traditions, the antiquity of the Kaaba is unquestionable; for its origin ascends far beyond the beginning of the Christian era. A passage in Diodorus has anobvious reference to it, who speaks of a famous temple among the people he calls Bizomenians, revered as most sacred by all Arabians.” [4]

Claudius Ptolemy (Born: 90 AD – Died: 168 AD)

Claudius Ptolemy was a Greco-Roman writer of Alexandria, known as a mathematician, astronomer, geographer; is another person, centuries before Islam who makes mention of Makkah. He uses the name ‘Makoraba’ for Makkah.

In the Book: ‘The New Encyclopedia of Islam’, written by Cyril Glassé says that Ptolmey in the second century mentioned Makkah. Here is what he wrote:

“Mecca (Makkah al-Mukarramah, lit ‘Mecca the blessed’). For thousands of years Mecca has been a spiritual center. Ptolemy, the second century Greek geographer, mentioned Mecca, calling it ‘Makoraba’. Some have interpreted this to mean temple (from Maqribah in south Arabian) but it may also mean ‘Mecca of the Arabs’.” [5]

Ilya Pavlovich Petrushevsky (1898–1977) was an Professor of History of the Near East at the University of Leningrad for twenty years, he also makes mention that Ptolemy in the second Century mentions Makkah:

“On the caravan route from Syria to the Yemen, in the Hijaz neighbourhood, lay Mecca. Ptolemy, the Greek geographer, mentions it as early as the second century calling it Makoraba, which is derived from the south Arab word Maqrab meaning ‘sanctuary’. [6]

Michael Wolfe:

“Mecca lies midway along the west coast of Arabia in a mountainous barrier region named the Hijaz. This narrow tract of land about nine hundred miles long with the Tropic of Cancer passing through its center. The second-century Greco-Egyptian geographer Ptolemy called the city Makoraba, the temple.” [7]

Paul Wheatley:

“it was its virtual monopoly of Hijaz commerce which made of Mecca, in the words of the Quran, ‘a city secure and at peace; provisions flowing in from every side’. But all this is concerned with the expansion of the influence of a city which already existed. The name Mecca (strictly transliterated as Makkah) had been mentioned in the Ptolmaic corpus in the 2nd century AD under the orthography Makoraba, which itself derived from the Sabaean Makuraba, meaning ‘sanctuary’. Long before Muhammad the Ka’bah had served as the central shrine of a group of clans, each of whom had deposited its ritual stone, symbolizing its own god, in the sacred precinct.” [8]

In the book ‘A Comparative Study of Thirty City-state Cultures: An Investigation’, edited by Mogens Herman Hansen; in Note 24 makes clear when Ptolemy mentioned the name ‘Macoraba’ he meant Mecca:

“Ptolemy in Geographies refers to Mecca as Macoraba.” [9]

Conclusion:

From all the evidences which I have presented from objective and academic sources, it can clearly be seen that it is a fact that Kabaah existed before the advent of Islam and Muhammad (peace be upon him).  Sealing my arguments, I refer you to Reverend Charles Augustus Goodrich, a Christian historian, who admitted that the Kabaah existed and was built by the Patriarchs. In his own words, he says, “Caaba its high antiquity cannot be disputed; and the most probable account is, that it was built and used for religious purposes by some of the early patriarchs.”

References:

[1] Religious Ceremonies and Customs, Or: The Forms of Worship Practised by the several nations of the known world, from the earliest records to the present time Charles Augustus Goodrich [Hartford: Published by Hutchinson and Dwine 1834] page 124
[2] Turkey, Past and Present: Its History, Topography, and Resources By John Reynell Morell page 84
[3] Encyclopaedia Britannica: Or, A Dictionary of Arts, sciences and Miscellaneous Literature Constructed on a Plan Volume 2, Part 1 edited by Colin Macfarquhar page 183 – 184
[4] The history of Arabia, ancient and modern Volume 1 [second edition] By Andrew Crichton page 100
[5] The New Encyclopedia of Islam By Cyril Glassé page 302
[6] Islam in Iran by I. Pavlovich Petrushevsky page 3
[7] One Thousand Roads to Mecca: Ten Centuries of Travelers Writing about the Muslim pilgrimage Michael Wolfe introduction xv
[8] Paul Wheatley The Origins and Character of the Ancient Chinese City: volume 11 page 288
[9] A Comparative Study of Thirty City-state Cultures: An Investigation, Volume 21 edited by Mogens Herman Hansen page 248 NOTE 24

The Limits of Da’wah

Salaam ‘Alaykum,

It is common for the lay Muslim to engage in da’wah and today this is most frequently done online, sometimes Facebook, Twitter and also on Paltalk. Unfortunately there are those in our growing community that have mimicked the da’wah of the Christians and Atheists – without being aware of what they are doing. So what is da’wah? Da’wah is literally, an invitation to Islam, and from this, da’wah is not to:

  1. Belittle your opponent.
  2. Be emotional with your opponent.
  3. Enter into discussion about a topic in which you have no knowledge, the foremost being ‘aqeedah.
  4. Show off (demonstrate your ‘skills’ at debating or demonstrate ‘knowledge’ you possess).
  5. Prove your opponent wrong.

If we limit ourselves to not doing these five ills, and this is the way of the Christians and Atheists, then we will only then begin to perfect our da’wah.

How is this the method of the Christians?

Christians tend to look down on infidels (this is a Christian term, meant to mean unfaithful to Christ), in the sense that we do not possess the Spirit and thus do not have clear insight into the reality of the world and their scriptures. This causes them to be emotional and to use primarily emotional arguments, viz a viz: Christ has changed me, I spoke with him, you’re Satan because you disagree with him etc.

One of the more odd experiences I’ve faced is Christians copy pasting copious amounts of text and copying missionary literature and then spamming you with it. No, the 50th time you’ve left me a pamphlet or sent me an e-mail does not convince me of your faith, rather it convinces me that you just want to shut me out and not listen to me. Even top Christian apologists fall prey to this, they would write or speak for long periods of time on irrelevant discussion to the topic at hand, and when questioned, they again repeat speaking or writing on something off topic, just to tire you out. Remember, stopping a person from speaking is not guiding them, it’s simply screaming, “I’m right and you’re wrong“, over and over again.

How is this the method of Atheists?

Now when I mean atheist, I’m implying agnostics and militant atheists, although I’m not generalizing but this is usually my experience with them. Now, not many know this, but by study and trade – I am a Scientist. In fact, my field specializes in the area of logic. Logic is the foundation of and the pillar of my field. Many times I’ve come across atheists who employ the belief that all theists do not use reason and logic. When in fact it is these people who have never actually used logic, nor is it used in their day to day operations. At University where I often have discussions, it’s pretty funny to see persons trying to explain to me why faith cannot be reconciled with science, reason and logic. Except for the fact that faith is often based on science, reason and logic – something which the Qur’aan emphasizes.

Often times, I’ve found it easier to explain that the atheistic model of life is morbidly self hating. We are nothing and our lives are without purpose (I’m looking at you Lawrence Krauss). This is their modus operandi, this is what they want us to believe, so the question begs itself, if our lives are worth nothing and therefore has no purpose – why don’t they off themselves? If not, then they imply that they do have a purpose, and if so, purpose implies intent, for no one can have a thought about something without intending to think about that something.

What is the Best Da’wah?

On the authority of Abu Hamzah Anas bin Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) – the servant of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) – that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said :

“None of you will believe until you love for your brother what you love for yourself.”

(Related by Bukhari & Muslim).

Your brother in this case means your brother in humanity. We must love for ourselves to be guided, to be treated in a calm and respectful way, to not be argued with for the sake of arguing or disagreed with for the sake of disagreeing and most of all, to be treated with honesty. Due to this, the Prophetic advice is clear, treat others as we would want to be treated and this in turn, will be the best da’wah possible. We must remember than da’wah is for Allaah and Him alone – and if done with this methodology, then He – the Changer of Hearts, can guide anyone to the truth.

and Allaah knows best.

Christian Cult Leader, ‘Black Jesus’, killed in PNG

After leading a cult of 1000’s of Christians, a ministry of rape, murder and sexual abuse, the Christian cult leader and preacher – ‘Black Jesus’ (Steven Tari), was executed by a mob after killing a woman and attacking another. Here’s the BBC News Post:

He had studied to become a Lutheran pastor but disappeared from his theological college after disputing the Bible’s teachings.

He previously said he was the “true Christ” and promised his followers great wealth and redemption. Among his disciples were allegedly dozens of sex slaves he called his “flower girls”. Before his arrest his sect had thousands of followers in the villages.

In 2007 he was captured by villagers who beat him before handing over to the police.

You can check out the full BBC (UK) article here.

The Rationalizer Debunked by Muslim Physics Graduate and Islamic Scholar Hafiz Chuck Connors

Smashing video by the educated brother. Well versed in the empirical sciences, a qualified graduate in the field of Physics and a Hafiz of al Qur’aan – he’s published a video in which he destroys, clearly destroys the Sophism of the Rationalizer. Do share the video and make sure to view it yourself!

and Allaah knows best.

Pauline Christianity, the Prophet’s Access to the Bible, and Similarities in the Gospels

Question:

Asssalamu alaikum. My wife is a Christian and she is currently exploring both Islam and Christianity.

  1. She asked how is it possible for Paul to write that well, obviously with some flaws in the Bible, after our prophet Isiah (Jesus {peace and blessing be upon him}) departure many hundred years later? I know he cooperated with King Constantine and gave in to his demand for one Bible. Are his eleven Apostles right and correctly written in the Bible. Are David’s psalms correct?
  2. Second, Did RasulUllah [saws, peace and blessing be upon him] have access to a Bible in anyway?
  3. Third, How come Matthew, Mark and others are so similar?
  4. Fourth, was Paul really inspired by Jesus [peace and blessing be upon him] to jot down all his statements in the Bible. How did he come to know so much of what to say in the Bible?

Answer:

As-salam alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

I hope you are well insha’Allah. You have raised many important issues and questions that deserve a lot of research and reflection. Here are a few quick answers. I hope you follow-up and investigate further.

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Changing faiths: Hispanic Americans leaving Catholicism for Islam

An interesting article by the BBC (UK), the video is also worth the watch:

With more than 50 million Hispanics living in the US, the Latino community is now the country’s biggest minority. While most are brought up within the Catholic Church, a number of them are turning to Islam.

Precise figures are difficult to pin down as the US Census does not collect religious data, but estimates for the number of Latino Muslims vary between 100,000 and 200,000.

The BBC’s Katy Watson went to Union City in New Jersey – where the population is more than 80% Hispanic – to meet some converts.

You can view the video here, where they show an interview with a Hispanic Muslim family.

Muslims Should Read/ Study the Bible: OKAY!

Muslims should read the Bible? Is this truly the best way to convert someone to Christianity? I’d like to thank the missionaries who spend thousands of dollars on printing Bibles and giving them to starving children to save them from hunger. Reading a Bible converts no one, I bought my own first copy because no one would give me one, if reading the Bible actually convinces anyone of anything, it would be to recognize its flaws and to search for the true faith at which it hosts many indications of. Let’s take a basic example in which an idiot savant (read as: Sam “tha thug” Shamoun) would be able to notice these basic flaws. We begin with the birth narrative in Matthew 2, versus that of Luke 2.

Matthew 2:

  • Joseph and Mary live in Bethlehem (2:1).
  • Joseph, Mary and baby God/ Jesus migrate to Egypt  for fear of their safety (2:12).
  • Joseph, Mary and baby God/ Jesus do not go to Jerusalem to fulfill the birth rite law of of the Old Testament (Luke 2:23).

Luke 2:

  • Joseph and Mary live in Galilee but travel to Bethlehem to pay taxes because the entire Roman world was being taxed. Problem, why would they move to a town that Joseph is originally from to be taxed, wouldn’t the tax collector want to collect the taxes from people in their respective cities/ towns (2:1)?
  • No account of Joseph, Mary and baby God/ Jesus migrating to Egypt for fear of safety – rather they stay in Bethlehem for 8 days and wait for Mary to become pure again after giving birth (2:20-21).
  • Joseph, Mary and baby God/ Jesus do go to Jerusalem to fulfill the birth rite law of of the Old Testament (Luke 2:22-23).

At first, it might not seem like a big deal, but as Rabbi Michael Skobac of Jews for Judaism pointed out in his video on Micah 5:1-3, the stories claim opposite narratives which cannot be reconciled. In one episode of pure fiction, Mary and Joseph and baby God/ Jesus is scared of being persecuted by the Roman authorities and they flee, and even upon returning to the land of Israel they remain in hiding due to danger. In Luke, the story is quite different, they stay in Bethlehem, wait for Mary to become pure – absolutely no hiding or fear of danger, they stay a little more than a month, then journey to Jerusalem and present Christ at the temple – again no fear of danger, no hiding – nothing.

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Now that I’ve read the Bible, I’m more convinced not to be a Christian. Muslims should therefore read the Bible. Saudi Arabia should allow the Bible to be taught and it should be mandatory for every child to be able to explain these differences. Perhaps in that way, the rest of the remaining Christians in the Middle East can finally abandon the chains of the cross and come to true monotheism – God willing.

Response: Challenge to Sami Zaatari and Bassam Zawadi from Sam Shamoun

I’m officially responding on behalf of Sami Zataari. Here’s the alleged challenge:

Sam Shamoun should atleast have the testicular fortitude to issue challenges himself and not through 3rd parties who are largely unknown. I call upon Shamoun to show his counterparts some respect by being responsible enough to do his dirty work himself. If he believes that he can earn a debate from Islam’s two foremost debaters by disrespecting them, then surely he’s lost the plot. Sami’s conditions are hereby listed as follows:

  • An official doctor’s note from a well qualified psychologist attesting to Sam’s mental stability.
  • An apology to Muslims for his abusive, threatening and abhorrent behaviour.
  • A sworn oath to not use abusive, threatening, insulting, mocking or R rated language on any platform (shared or otherwise).
  • To illustrate Sam’s support of David Wood’s cross dressing video, by him wearing the same pink lingerie and posted to YouTube singing along to “Dude Looks Like a Lady” by Aerosmith, while dancing like Shakira in her video to, “Hips Don’t Lie“.

These conditions are non-negotiable.

Telling Someone to Bite Their Father’s Genitals: Explicit Phrase or Misunderstood Expression?

If you’ve ever read anything from Sam Shamoun, then you’d have probably read this narration, in one of the 7000 times he’s probably copy pasted it:

Ubayy b. Ka‘b told that he heard God’s messenger say, “If anyone proudly asserts his descent in the manner of the pre-Islamic people, tell him to bite his father’s penis, and do not use a euphemism.”

For the first time, an Islamic author, my friend and brother in deen, Br. Waqar Akbar Cheema has responded to the claims surrounding this narration. You can access the amazing, well studied, well referenced article here, or you can view the PDF (also for downloading) here.

It’s worth the read, and most importantly, it debunks Sam’s malicious and unscholarly manipulation of traditional Islamic literature. It demonstrates the dishonesty of Orientalists and missionaries, while employing a level of academia that is undoubtedly of high integrity and accountability.

I’d like to thank Br. Waqar for his previous works and presently, for this masterpiece, may Allaah reward him immensely for doing what so many of us were unable to do. Ameen.

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