Category Archives: Muslim and Non-Muslim Dialogue

Response to Paulus

Paulus seems to have missed the mark once more, let’s quickly look at what he’s said:

Second, Ijaz said nothing regarding the fact that approximately 75%, or roughly 300,000 of the Bible’s variants are due to unintentional spelling errors. Again, I can only assume he agrees that this is true. This is important, since it means that this discussion really only boils down to (at most) 25% of the New Testament text.

Which is corruption because it has gone from being an error made by one scribe, or various scribes, to the error becoming part and parcel of the mainstream text of editions of his scripture. If they were one off incidents, regarded as scribal mistakes without having become part of his scripture, then it wouldn’t be a problem. Yet the fact remains that these changes (emendations and interpolations) became populous enough that they became part of his scripture. That for all intents and purposes remains to be known as corruption, something he is unwilling to admit.

He makes the claim that I attacked him via several ad hominem, for which I do apologize if he did feel offended, but if you are preaching to me, yet don’t know where your own name comes from in the Bible, the same Bible you are preaching to me, how am I to trust your study? He then makes a self contradictory point:

 I also do not believe the Quran is “corrupt”. I simply believe that the Quran’s transmission has not been perfectly preserved, and this is demonstrably true.

One cannot accept the first premise without the latter being false. If the Qur’aan has been reliably transmitted, then the evidence demonstrates that we are able to assess what is not mainstream from what is standard, what is scribal mistake from what is a feature of a text. So if it is that the Qur’aan is not corrupt, then it must follow, logically speaking that it’s transmission history is valid. As for his inane claim on whether I was referring to Sh. Al ‘Azami (alayhi rahma) or the Mushaf Attributed to Uthman [may Allaah be pleased with him] (2007), please re-read what I said as your ‘disagreement’ seems to be a fault of your own reading. I am saying the quote from the book in 2007 was in relation to the study of the MSS itself (which bares its name) and that your quote, hastily taken from Sh. Azami’s book which was provided to you a day earlier via our Facebook page was also out of context and I selected the related portion from his text. You’ve misconstrued two distinct issues/ quotes and arguments.

Rebuttal to his Closing Thoughts

1. Whereas these codices have transcription rules which were not mainstream or of which eventually became standard, your Bible’s errors have manifested themselves from known scribal mistakes and then these mistakes became normalized to the extent they were present in the extant MSS. This is the crux of the matter and is not difficult to grasp. We can identify was is ahad, gharib, aziz, but you can’t because it’s part and parcel of your very text today, we Muslims can clearly say this is not part of our canon, you on the other hand have known errors still present in your text and regard them as scripture.

2. You’ve again missed the mark on the transcription issue. The spelling of words comes down to a scribes invention of how to convert audible sounds to textual representations. I gave quite an easy example for any basic reader of the Qur’aan in the usage of taa marbuta. An even easier example would be cake and clap. Whereas for cake the double a sound, in the Arabic language I can spell it with a maddah and fattah, a fattah sukoon and alif or in some MSS just stand alone alif(s) with a maddah, these are three variations in spelling, which would give us orthographic differences. This is easy to grasp, which is why I find you useless to speak to, not because you already conceded the Qur’aan has not been corrupted (in which case there is no need to further this discussion), but the mere fact that you don’t understand that there can be 6000+ differences simply due to orthographic differences is astounding. Once the text reads the authenticated recitations, then the spelling does not matter, as it fits any of the known (or unknown – as some scribes may not have lived long enough for their method to become popular or to teach the rules of their transcription) writing styles.

Closing Points

1. You fail to grasp that in orthography, there can be differences for each word, as each word’s spelling is dependent upon a scribes method of rendering that word via conversion from audible sound to text.

2. The Bible’s errors aren’t merely scribal as they’ve manifested themselves into your current text today and are regarded as scripture, whereas scribal errors can be regarded as ahad, gharib and aziz by any reader of Arabic. Those errors did not become part of our scripture, we don’t have chapters missing, or in your case entire books. We don’t have Surah Fatihah belonging to twelve different places in the Qur’aan, missing in 20 others and then popping up in a few texts which then became mainstream (as is the case with the floating chapters and passages of your New Testament). We don’t have entire words missing, verses changed, what we do have are words spelt according to their orthographic differences (transcription wise) and it’s perfectly normal. To qualify my point, go do some study on whether maddah damma or damma sukoon waw is a ‘corruption’ of the long oo sound, they are literally the same, just a variation in rendition, but since this to you proves ‘unreliable’ transmission, then I refuse to waste any more time on you discussing a text and book you cannot read.

3. Remind us again if you own either of the books you referenced from the 2007 editions by those Turkish authors? Thanks.

wa Allaahu ‘Alam.

Understanding Tommy Robinson’s Move from the EDL

We Muslims should not be excited at the prospect that Tommy Robinson has departed from the infamous English Defense League. Rather, we must try to understand Tommy’s motives and intentions in his recent jump to the Qulliam Foundation. The EDL is not a government funded group, the Qulliam Foundation is. This is an important point, but we shall return to this later.

When you think of the EDL, the first word which comes to mind is hooliganism. You conjure images of drunkard buffoons running riot through the streets of Britain attacking Muslim homes, businesses and places of worship. You think of violent attacks and white pride terminology and slogans. You do not think, ‘an educated think thank’, you think the exact opposite. For all it’s worth, the most popular slogan that any EDL campaign as managed to bring to an international level is the absolutely hilarious Muslamic Ray Gun video:

Tommy Robinson is only seeking to legitimize his anti-Islamic rhetoric in a suit and a tie, provided by government funding, as opposed to shouting angry slogans in marches meant to disgrace Britain.  What this change allows for, is that it gives Tommy Robinson a platform which is supported by the government and by sell out Muslims such as Dr. Usama Hasan. He hasn’t changed any of his views, he still intends to fight against Muslims and he still intends to criticise Muslims for the mere fact that they follow Islam and now he isn’t doing so with a gang of drunkards, he’s doing so in a suit and tie, with an organization that will present him as an educated individual whose societal and cultural beliefs must be taken as serious intellectual study.

This jump from the EDL to the Qulliam Foundation is not something to celebrate, but it should be seen for what it is, an attempt to make the violent views of Tommy and his friends, seem as respected social commentary.

and God knows best.

Muslims Attacked in Vicious Assault (Canada)

A group of Muslim brothers from Kingston, Ontario in Canada were attacked by a gang of thugs while walking through their neighbourhood this week. Fortunately, much harm was not done, the thugs were armed and high on drugs, they shouted racist and anti-Islamic statements while attacking and following the brothers. One of the brothers was able to take a quick snapshot of one of the assailants (seen below). Contact information for the area’s Imam and the police are listed below. Your cooperation is necessary in preventing this situation from occurring again. See the full news in this news report of the incident.

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One of the suspects being sought by police. If you recognize the individual in the picture, please contact Kingston police at 613-549-4660.

 

If you or anyone you know lives in the area of the attack (Kingston, Ontario, Canada), please inform Imam Sikander Hashmi who is in contact with the local police.

Conversation With an Angry Christian

Christtheway24 is angry at me, I’m a snake because I believe the New Testament is demonstrably and undeniably corrupted and unreliable. Here’s a sample of one of his angry rants on Paltalk. The audio is a bit raspy, but his speaking is loud and clear, the ticking in the background is my typing (via text) responding to him while he’s speaking. 

To bounce is to ban someone from the room (virtual meeting place), so after I gave my cordial response to him – he bounced me. 

and Allaah knows best.

 

Irony at its best, but atleast he’s honest…

Here’s a Christian telling me what’s wrong with understanding the Christian God:

3  Hinduism, Islam and Christianity Friendly discussion

What a nice guy, admitting the problem is his own set of beliefs. Don’t often find missionaries conceding this so quickly. Another missionary mishap to enjoy!

Update: Apparently, my friend Innocent is angry about this being posted, so he’d like me to provide the ‘context’ of our conversation, so here it is, directly from him:

Innocent Habonimana: If you want to be taken seriously represent my beliefs as they are , if you know them, and we will debate. If you cannot , I am not coming down to your level.
il y a 34 minutes · Modifié · J’aime

Ijaz Ahmad: Innocent Habonimana,

But you and I already know your beliefs.

God (YHWH) is one (being) in three persons (Father, Son HS). Do you agree or disagree? We’ll get to the hypostatic union later. Do you agree on this, or do you disagree?

For a multiple personality disorder you need one being, who has multiple and distinct personalities (for example, God who is one, has three personalities, this fits the disorder).
il y a 32 minutes · J’aime

Ijaz Ahmad : Innocent Habonimana, unless you want me to refer to the Creeds established by the Ecumenical Councils to give the understanding of God you desire? Because if you think I don’t understand your Graeco-Roman, Demi-God, you are quite mistaken. What was the last book you studied on the theology of your God? Let us know
il y a 31 minutes · J’aime

Innocent Habonimana : You know the problem that you have is that in your mind you think of God in a human form!
il y a 29 minutes · J’aime

Well, unfortunately, that made the situation worse for our friend, but that’s okay, he asked for me to post this.

and Allaah knows best.

Free Dr. Anthony Buzzard Books Until 5th October (2013)

Dr. Anthony Buzzard, the world’s currently most important Unitarian (anti-Trinitarian) figure has put all of his published titles on Amazon for free download starting today. See his Facebook status here.

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Click this link to go to the Amazon page for all his published titles on the Amazon store. His writings and videos clearly demonstrate that the heresy of the Trinity cannot be proved from the texts of the Old or New Testaments.

Sam Shamoun’s Christian Followers are Mentally Ill

Update: Sent an email to Shamoun about his followers’ behaviour, I don’t expect a response since he condones these actions. If in the off chance he has the testicular fortitude to respond, I’ll gladly make it public – then again, he’s running away from me, so I wouldn’t expect that much.

Last night I had the unfortunate incident of finding myself the focus of attention for a group of Sam Shamoun worshipers on Paltalk, via a room named, “Dawah vs Christian Missionaries“. Traditionally, I don’t expect much from Paltalk Christian Missionaries, but I jumped in to see what all the fuss was about.

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Turns out, it’s a room full of Sam Shamoun supporters who did what their master taught them best. For a period of 10 minutes, I listened as various men and women belonging to the Christian faith, took an opportunity to speak out against me and the writings on this website. I stayed in the off chance that perhaps they’d offer some meaningful criticism, to the contrary I was cursed at by these group of Christian, Sam Shamoun fans by being called repeatedly:

  • Muslim beast.
  • Dumbass.
  • Idiot.
  • Fool.
  • Jackass.
  • Coward.
  • Child.

This unfortunately, is the legacy of the work of Sam Shamoun, his biggest fans on Paltalk (who had just announced a new recording of one of his lectures on the Jewish Saints being saved by Christ), found it appropriate (even the women amongst them) to engage in a tirade filled with abusive language and curse words. As a Muslim, I didn’t respond to them, there is no profit in me cursing anyone or behaving as if I am a petulant child. I think it’s very sad that many consider these missionaries to be representative of the Christian faith and it’s even more sad to know, that after Shamoun has left us, this will be the legacy he’d leave behind: foul mouthed angry zealots.

We pray for their guidance and I wish to let them know, all of them (CBD, Fyreflye, Dr. Chillosophy, etc), I forgive you because I’m a Muslim and I pray that one day you realise what you’re doing is not inviting me to Christianity by shouting and screaming and insulting me, you’re making yourselves look very desperate and unwilling to engage Muslims on an intellectual basis and have reduced your preaching Christianity to nothing more than insulting others to make yourselves feel better/ stroking your own egos.

I apologize to the Muslims who stayed in that room to listen to see what I would have told those missionaries, but I do not respond to threats or curses and I only stayed for those brief minutes in the hope that they would have the decency to realise what they were doing.

and Allaah knows best.

The Corruption of the Qur’aan

I’ve read many books, posts, comments, emails regarding the corruption of the Qur’aan, on that note I’ve read the same about the Bible, moreso about the New Testament. Yet, something’s appeared to me that hasn’t been discussed much, if at all before. In discussing the reliability of the Graeco-Roman New Testament, the easiest claims to digest are those of the floating passages, either emendations or interpolations – their presence qualifies the argument of the unreliability of the New Testament.

When it comes to the Qur’aan however, there is a very strange occurrence, it says of itself:

Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’an and indeed, We will be its guardian. – Al Hijr 15:9.

The most popular argument against the Qur’aan being the Sana’aa Manuscripts has been debunked by studies that have only been partially quoted by Orientalists, and the argument concerning the differing number of ayat don’t consider that you can stop, pause or continue through many verses – thus giving varying lengths to one verse. Yet, we must ask ourselves a very important question concerning the corruption of the Qur’aan.

If it is so easy to have corrupted the Qur’aan, then why, after 1434 years (as of the time of this posting), has no extant edition of the Qur’aan, put the basmallah (bismillahir rahmanir raheem) at the top of Surah 9 (at-Tawbah/ al-Bara’ah). Thinking clearly for a moment, in comparison to the New Testament, the addition of a few verses (Mark 16:9-20) or the addition of a chapter after its clear ending (see John 20:30-31 vs John 21) or the dispute of entire books, see the Revelation of John vs the Revelation of Peter, it has always been easy to spot where scribes have found it all to easy to make a correction (emendation) or addition (interpolation) into the text which eventually found its way into the standard text of the New Testament.

Yet, if a scribe is copying the Qur’aan and for 113 Surahs of a possible 114, you write the basmallah before them, except one, wouldn’t it have occurred to make this correction? Wouldn’t it seem like an error that 1 of 114 is missing the basmallah? Surely, if atleast one scribe thought so, wouldn’t many others have also thought so? Seeing as we recite the basmallah before the start of Surah 9, wouldn’t that give the scribe even more credence to include the basmallah? Therefore, the question stands before us, if the Qur’aan has been corrupted, then why hasn’t the most obvious change yet to manifest itself? It bemoans me to think that a scribe would be so intelligent to change entire ayat (verses), alter words (as claimed by some Orientalists), yet forget to make the most simple of changes – adding the basmallah.

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