Missionary Mishap: Sam Shamoun’s Cursing Rage
Tonight I find myself disappointed in the Christian inter-faith community. In my possession is an image of a comment on YouTube by Sam Shamoun. When we speak of good, moral people, we expect them to behave in a certain manner. It is strange to me, that people like Nabeel Qureishi and Jonathan McLatchie endorse and continue to promote Sam as not only a Christian teacher, but as a friend and someone to support. It says a lot about their characters that they consider a man who behaves in such a manner to be someone they endorse and support. That they hold this man on a pedestal, when he behaves and speaks like a thug. Curses more than a drunken sailor. I really need to ask if this is Christian behaviour, if this is the work of the Holy Spirit guiding Sam. It is absolutely a shame that people like Nabeel and Jonathan endorse Sam as someone to learn from and that they endorse his behaviour. We need to ask, where have Jonathan and Nabeel ever condemned Sam’s behaviour, rebuked him for unChristian-like speech, corrected him for his thuggish behaviour? The answer is nowhere, because to them, this is the example of a good Christian, that Sam is a good representation of what Christianity can do to a person. This, is sad.
Note: The image has been censored because of the extreme obscenities and vulgar language used. Curses to the Prophet (salallaahu ‘alayhi wa salam) have been censored, but the language has been left to bear witness of Sam’s character.
If clicking the image does not open it, click this link to see the Facebook post about it.
Yes, he was arguing with someone and they traded insults. However, as an adult, as a faith leader, he should know to behave in a manner befitting his Christian faith. Is Christ not the one who said to turn the other cheek? Or was he the one who said to behave in an uncouth and obscene manner? I do not hold Sam to be a representative of the Christian faith and I am concerned that people, especially the two mentioned above continue to hold him as such.
and God knows best.
Calling Christians 
” Is Christ not the one who said to turn the other cheek? Or was he the one who said to behave in an uncouth and obscene manner? ”
bro, there are codified rules within judaism which say not to insult high priests. if the guy was “turning the other cheek” he would know of those rules and not break them, because those rules came directly from the torah
this “christ” was UNDER jewish law and he went around cursing, abusing and insulting people. he even called a non -jew and her daughter 2 little animals/dogs.
“there were codified rules against jews insulting jewish priests”
Leviticus 21:8(JPT) – You shall sanctify him [the Priest], for he offers up the food offering of your God; he shall be holy to you, for I, the Lord Who sanctifies you, am holy.
sorry mate, but a god under jewish law had to obey it and jesus did not obey it with the insults which came from his mouth.
Hi Ijaz
What is it with you? I used to like your articles and comments even though I don’t agree with you, but now it’s like you gone from Daily Telegraph standard down to the Sun newspaper that gives cheap news for uneducated paper.
Come on bro put up some sound arguments against Christianity!
Thank you
Johnny McClaptrap is a petulant, obnoxious christian thug, Nabeel Qureishi is a phony, fake, fraudulent, showman. They eat, sleep, dream, and live deception, demagoguery, and hypocrisy. Why would it surprise you that such scoundrels have a close and friendly alliance? Frankly, they ARE a representation of the broader christian behavior on the internet. Show me a christian who has a fair, unbiased view of Islam which is NOT completely mired in seething hatred and bigotry, and I will show you 1000 that will make the likes of Nabeel and Johnny seem like reticent choir boys.”By their fruit shall ye know them.” Indeed.
By the way, you are amongst the very few Muslim bloggers, who presents Islam in a coherent, erudite and intellectually gratifying manner. Please try and reach more and more readers–perhaps by clever advertising methods, I don’t know–It would be great to have this blog become THE essential source of Islamic information and refutation of online christio-fasism, aka answering-islam. Great work.
Hi Robert2016
Even Muslims speak of Jesus not having sin. The woman Jesus spoke to about giving the bread to the dogs please consider…He meant to try her faith. As if he had said, “You are a Gentile; I am a Jew. The Jews call themselves children of God. You they vilify and abuse, calling you a dog. Are you willing to receive of a Jew, then, a favor? Are you willing to submit to these appellations to receive a favor of one of that nation, and to acknowledge your dependence on a people that so despise you?”
In other words Jesus is saying why are you coming to someone who considers you a dog to get help?
If you read the gospel then you would understand that spoke a certain to hypocrites for instance the religious Pharisees…vipers etc.
Jesus didn’t abuse anyone.
Hi Robert2016
Please quote his insults.
“Even Muslims speak of Jesus not having sin. The woman Jesus spoke to about giving the bread to the dogs please consider…He meant to try her faith. As if he had said, “You are a Gentile; I am a Jew. The Jews call themselves children of God.”
her faith? why do you lie?
what was her faith in? i don’t see what she demonstrates her faith in. did she demonstrate her faith in the fact that she, her daughter and her people are animals/dogs? did jesus christ require verbal confirmation from the woman, in front of his disciples that she, her ill daughter and her people are animals BENEATH THE children s feat?
after she begged to him like a dog, did jesus begin to see that she is actually a human being?
MARK DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE WOMAN’S FAITH
AFTER SHE REFUTES jesus , he says to her “woman for that RETORT…”
meaning that before the woman is given help, she needs to REFUTE jesus.
” You they vilify and abuse, calling you a dog. Are you willing to receive of a Jew, then, a favor? ”
what a disgusting abuse of the text
here is the text
1. jesus DID NOT ANSWER HER A WORD
2. CONFIRMS TO his disciples that he is sent to the lost sheep ONLY
3. AFTER she continue to beg, he replies ” it is not RIGHT /FAIR to take the childrens bread and cast it to the dogs”
comment : look at how he treats the RECIPIENT . the recipient in jesus’ mind receives BREAD BY jesus THROWING it at the recipient, but because this bread is “holy bread” and only for the children , the recipient is not worthy of receiving it
comment : can you tell me how is it that an ill daugter who is non-jewish is not worthy of receiving a miracle? where is the compassion, love and kindness?
ABUSIVE language : ” it is not RIGHT /FAIR to take the childrens bread and cast it to the dogs”
jesus meant to DEHUMANIZE the woman
that’s why he calls her and her daughter dogs.
comment : what “great faith ” did she accept ? did she LEAVE her gentile BELIEFS and accept jEWISH law ?????
“Are you willing to submit to these appellations to receive a favor of one of that nation, and to acknowledge your dependence on a people that so despise you?”
WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS FROM EITHER MARK OR MATTHEW?
MARK SAYS NOTHING ABOUT FAITH.
“In other words Jesus is saying why are you coming to someone who considers you a dog to get help?”
yes, jesus considered her and her ill daughter ANIMAL/DOGS
“If you read the gospel then you would understand that spoke a certain to hypocrites for instance the religious Pharisees…vipers etc.”
ACCORDING TO THE LAW :
Leviticus 21:8(JPT) – You shall sanctify him [the Priest], for he offers up the food offering of your God; he shall be holy to you, for I, the Lord Who sanctifies you, am holy.
“there were codified rules against jews insulting jewish priests”
“Jesus didn’t abuse anyone.”
you are a christian apologist , when you worship a man ,what would you expect from a human who makes created the creator?
questions:
why did jesus make the gentile woman beg for healing which others did not have to do this?
question :
why can’t it be argued that your god CHANGED his mind?
“defend christ” shamelessly DISTORTS the text because he is ashamed by the abuse jesus spouted out .
“You are a Gentile; I am a Jew. The Jews call themselves children of God. You they vilify and abuse, calling you a dog. Are you willing to receive of a Jew, then, a favor? Are you willing to submit to these appellations to receive a favor of one of that nation, and to acknowledge your dependence on a people that so despise you?”
you have shamelessly distorted the text
1. how come in marks gospel he does not call her “woman” after the woman refutes him? how come she accepts that she is a dog who receives pieces ? how come after she accepts she is a dog , jesus calls her “woman” in matthew?
2. it is the woman , not jesus, who thinks that she is under the masters table and receive crumbs, but jesus does not say that the “little dog” /gentile woman is under his table. it is the woman who has to make the connection to make this jesus change his mind. but jesus clearly says “you are not my dog” because ” it is not right to cast children bread to your ill little gentile dog /daughter”
3. “are you willingly to submit to these appellations” ? do you have no shame in changing the text? after she “accept faith” did he tell her to join his team? did he tell her that she is a dog who sits next to the children and eat from the same table?
4. the woman came to your jesus, she did not go to the “lost sheep”
You they vilify and abuse, calling you a dog:
“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”
lol shameless apologist.
acts 21:27-36
says
1. teaching men everywhere against the people and the law
2.bringing greeks into the temple
3.defiling the temple
according to jesus
“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”
and he called a gentile woman and her daughter ANIMAL/ small bitch
can we conclude that jesus thought that paul was a pig/swine ?
surely the jews must have concluded that paul was a PIG, right? lawless PIG, right?
Hi Robert2016
It’s quite sad you don’t even know me and straight away you are making accusations against me, I didn’t say I was an apologist and neither am I messing around with the text.
Every single human being has faith, we all put our faith in something.
This woman came to Jesus because she BELIEVED that he heal her daughter, that’s called faith!
Mat 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
If you want to talk about Mark you obviously haven’t read the chapter properly and so let me make my point.
You don’t have to read the word ‘faith’ to realise what is happening in the text,this woman says something and Jesus responds what did he say.
Mar 7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
Mar 7:28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children’s crumbs.
Mar 7:29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
FOR THIS SAYING…what previously she said revealed her faith she had in Jesus to heal.
What do you think about the Gentile Roman soldier?
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
What about the Old Testament? Jesus said this…
Luk 4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
Luk 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
Luk 4:26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
Luk 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
Here is the God of Israel touching the lives of Gentiles receiving miracles through the prophet Elisha.
Robert2016
Worship a man?? You don’t even know what I believe just because I have defendchrist as my name it doesn’t mean that I worship a man.
And neither am I ashamed at what Jesus did in the text.
The problem with some of you guys you are so filled with pride that you can’t even communicate without throwing an insult.
And furthermore she is not refuting Jesus ( no one on earth could do that ) what this woman decided to do was to bring an example of a dog at home with its master and Jesus loved the response and commends and heals her daughter.
You are always looking for an issue to prove Jesus wrong just like the Pharisees in his day.
LOOKS LIKE IM IN THE GAME NOW, I remember a year ago seeing these overweight morons wood and shamoun constantly spreading lies about Islam on YouTube and on their retarded websites, truth be told at the time I actually believed some of the stuff they were saying and having only basic knowledge on comparative religion and specifically Islamic sources I was actually scared to watch their videos after first seeing them for the first time because they got into my head, but as time progressed and months went on I stepped up to stand up for Islam and my Muhammad SAW and thats right I started watching that turd Woods videos, Acts17apologetics they call it. Regular Christians believe the rubbish they’re fed from shamoun and wood and thats where the problem lies, also Muslims occasionally will blindly believe them also but once ali ataie debated wood and i watched that one, that actually changed my mind on the Islamic sources and that actually made me realize how desperate these two faced liars are at acts17, but no more acts17apologetics is going to get destroyed I promise every one of you.
Now in regards to this article yes in case you didnt know im the one shamoun was disgustingly verbally attacking and abusing, I basically demonstrated how he knows complete jack about Islam and that he was overweight ( i was just trolling btw) and then he went on a mental hormonal crazy rage and as a defense from a petty harmless joke to compensate his obesity he tried insulted one of Muhammad SAWs wives as some sort of refutation? ikr how pathetic. I pity any christian who respects this guy in any shape or form as he is a shame.
More later, thanks brother yahya for exposing that degenerates attacks on me.
“This woman came to Jesus because she BELIEVED that he heal her daughter, that’s called faith!”
Mat 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
COMMENT: the woman came to jesus and REPEATEDly asked him to help her, but he igNORED her repeatedly. WHY did he REPEATEDly ignore her after she was begging him like a dog?
“You don’t have to read the word ‘faith’ to realise what is happening in the text,this woman says something and Jesus responds what did he say.”
“Mar 7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
Mar 7:28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children’s crumbs.
Mar 7:29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.”
FOR THIS SAYING…what previously she said revealed her faith she had in Jesus to heal.”
comment :
for THIS saying i.e pointing to the RESPONSE she gave AFTER jesus INSULTED her. she “revealed her faith”?
1. he called her, her daughter and her people little animals/dogs
now the question is , why did he call her that?
she had “faith” in jesus? did he have “faith ” in her?
jesus said to her “for this saying”
what was “this” referring to?
what is the ANTECEDENT for “this” ?
“What do you think about the Gentile Roman soldier?”
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
COMMENT : note something here? jesus makes a woman BEG for crumbs , but when it comes to gentile soldier who was working for imperieal EXPLOITING machine called “roman empire” jesus goes to help immediately.
jesus act PROMPTly for this man, but for the woman he made her BEG for crumbs.
and you say you are not an apologist?
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What about the Old Testament? Jesus said this…
Luk 4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
Luk 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
Luk 4:26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
Luk 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
Here is the God of Israel touching the lives of Gentiles receiving miracles through the prophet Elisha.”
what has any of this got to do with the way the woman was TREATEd by jesus?
“And neither am I ashamed at what Jesus did in the text.”
yes, you are not ashamed that your god called a woman an animal even though she didn’t not physically and verbally attack him .
“And furthermore she is not refuting Jesus ( no one on earth could do that )”
look, jesus told her , after she repeatedly asked him , “it is not right to take the children’s bread and cast it to the dogs”
one can imagine that this reply comes from agitated individual who has to get “dog” off him
it is the woman who has to turn his argument around for her daughters sake and she made jesus REALISE that pieces FALL to the GROUND when bread is eaten and that her ill dog/animal gentile daughter would benefit from pieces.
this is the technique of the OPPRESSED, they will please the OPPRESSOR with a one liner to receive some benefit.
which mother would call her self dog if she had dignity in her? no mother would do such a thing unless she has to do something for her daughters sake.
” what this woman decided to do was to bring an example of a dog at home with its master and Jesus loved the response and commends and heals her daughter.”
the woman had to submit like a dog submits to her master .jesus did not say to her that dogs like her RECEIVE children BREAD
“Let the children first be fed, for it is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 28 But she answered him, “Yes, Lord; yet even the dogs under the table eat the children’s crumbs.” 29 And he said to her, “For this saying you may go your way; the demon has left your daughter.”
notice here that he does not refer to her as “woman” after “and he said to her…”
notice in matthew jesus says “O, woman…”
in marks version there is no indication that she has become a human in jesus’ eyes.
she did not try to make jesus imagine how cuddly and lovely jubly relationship she as a dog is having with jesus. you are trying to imagine an itv advert where jesus is having a cup of tv and the dog lying on his lap and jesus stroking it back and forth.
the woman has not said that she sat on jeuss’ laps, she said she munches NEAR the childrens feet when the pieces FALL TO THE FLOOR.
you said you are not apologist, but you shamefully distort the text.
jesus did not say that a GENTILE dog is his dog
now tell me something
how much research you done on how torah, josephus , jewish commentaries understand when referring to gentiles as dogs?
“You are always looking for an issue to prove Jesus wrong just like the Pharisees in his day.”
thanks
“FOR THIS SAYING…what previously she said revealed her faith she had in Jesus to heal.”
that does not make any sense. if she heard or saw your “jesus” perform miracles she would think that he would help her.
notice she says
“have mercy…”
other translations “deal kindly…”
indicating that the author did not want his readers to think that a non-jewish was getting kind/merciful treatment in her area.
but jesus just like the other jews showed her his “love” “kindness” and “mercy”
when he told her
” i was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of israel”
and ” it is not fair to take the children’s breadand throw it to the dogs”
yes, wife abusers insult their wives yet their wives still have faith in their abusers. but does faith justify abuse and insult?
wife beaters beat thier wives yet their wives still have faith in their husbands.
what “triggered” jesus was when she after all that abuse had FAITH in his words that she, her daughter and people were dogs which eat off the floor near the children’s feet
what could be “faith” may just be a way to win a cure for her daughter
we didn’t see her become a disiple and neither did we see her begging for jesus’ release when he is captured by the roman authorities. she just disappears and is never heard of again.
the romans beat up jesus and they have no faith while they are beating up jesus. if they had faith would they beat him up? but jesus says to his father to forgive them. (this verse is not found in mark or matthew and according to those accounts it does not seem that the killers of jesus would receive forgiveness)
why then does a “faithful” woman have to beg for CRUMBS yet romans beat up jesus and had no faith?
Hi Robert2016
You obviously don’t understand the scriptures…you Muslims are always saying Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel, but here we have a gentile woman came worshipping Jesus asking him to heal her daughter.
The term he used ‘dogs’ was common to every Jew and Gentile, it was how the Jewish people saw and related to the Gentile. This woman was offended by what Jesus said but rather used it as a way to show that regardless of how she was was seen and the Jews thought of her, she wa going to get a healing for her daughter.
How does that relate to the Old Testament text.
Even in the OT God was moving and helping the Gentiles with healing and miracles.
Stop trying to find dirt against Jesus in the bible when you are supposed to believe in him.
dc, two of my comments still require releasing in your blog.
Defendchrist
Your right Jesus said that he was only sent the lost sheep of israel and thus if your saying he died for the sins of the world then your directly contradicting yourself? i dont blame you tho, this verse in general contradicts christian doctrine and thus shows you either Jesus didnt say those words or he didnt die for your sins?
Which one is it kiddo?????, cant have your cake and eat it cmon
“You obviously don’t understand the scriptures…you Muslims are always saying Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel, but here we have a gentile woman came worshipping Jesus asking him to heal her daughter.”
did the woman become jesus’ disciple?
did she become equal with the lost sheep?
did she win a place on the same table as the jews?
jesus made a false prophecy that he would come back for the jewish elect, not the gentiles.
quote:
In Matthew, the coming of the Son of Man occurs “immediately after” the suffering of “those days,” i.e., the days which include the desecrating sacrilege at the temple. In Mark, again, the coming of the Son of Man occurs “after that suffering.” And in Luke, on the one hand, the people are instructed to flee when they see the desolation coming to Jerusalem. On the other hand, when they see the portents in heaven and the coming of the Son of Man, they are told the contrary: “Now when these things begin to take place, stand up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” The former is described as “desolation coming near;” the latter is described as “redemption coming near.” The clearest reading is the one I offered: the Romans will come to destroy the temple, then the Son of Man will come to liberate God’s people and pour out God’s wrath on the nations.
jesus was only for the jews.
the woman was helped only after she gave a clever response. i have already told you about this on your blog.
did jesus say to the woman that she would sit besides his disciples who would be seated thrones?
even the jewish women are used as delivery girls and then forgotten about
the lost sheep such such as peter and others deny and lie , they fall asleep when your god is in need of support, they have doubts , yet jesus require clever response from humble non-jew.
“The term he used ‘dogs’ was common to every Jew and Gentile, it was how the Jewish people saw and related to the Gentile.”
do you think calling a humble gentile woman “dogs” is nice?
where does jewish scripture say that jews called humble non-jews “dogs” ? i know they killed infant and offspring but that was because yhwh had a grudge .
“it was how the jewish people saw and related to the gentile”
people called people “niggers” and related to people as “niggers” i guess that would be acceptable to you?
these insults persuaded people to take action against others
we saw what abuse jesus gave to the woman
you admit that jesus offended the woman but your argument now has become
“everybody was abusing each other back then”
i told you, you people are false lawyers for your false god.
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This woman was offended by what Jesus said but rather used it as a way to show that regardless of how she was was seen and the Jews thought of her, she wa going to get a healing for her daughter.”
many faithful women who get abused by there husbands also have faith that their husbands would stop abusing them one day. this woman was persistent and clever.
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How does that relate to the Old Testament text.
Even in the OT God was moving and helping the Gentiles with healing and miracles.”
show me where god in the ot called a humble gentile woman and her ill daugter animal.
“god was moving and helping” ?
did god insult them before he did that?
lol, you see how you people play sleight of hand?
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Stop trying to find dirt against Jesus in the bible when you are supposed to believe in him.”
you confirmed dirt against jesus by telling everyone “the woman was offended”
thank you