Financier of Sam Shamoun Threatens a Terrorist Attack


A well known financier of Sam Shamoun, Anthony Rogers and David Wood, has made quite a startling threat to innocent civilians.

cc-2015-robertwellsterroristMany schizophrenics who are Christians and proclaim to hear voices in their heads, otherwise known to them as “God”, pose a very real and terrifying threat to human life. It is quite disturbing to see the extent to which this Christian has been radicalized. Speaking on Christians who claim to hear God speaking to them, psychologist Tanya Marie says:

“Most people reading the ancient scriptures understand these accounts of hearing God’s voice as miracles that really did happen but no longer take place today, or maybe as folkloric flourishes to ancient stories. Even Christians who believe that miracles can be an everyday affair can hesitate when someone tells them they heard God speak audibly. There’s an old joke: When you talk to God, we call it prayer, but when God talks to you, we call it schizophrenia.”

This is a very real threat, one recent example of a Christian hearing voices in her head, believing the voice to be God, almost murdered a man:

Police later found the driver of the car, Prionda Hill, at the Rally’s several blocks down the road from where she hit [motorcyclist Anthony] Oliveri. She told police “she was driving and out of no where God told her that he would take it from here and she let go of the wheel and let him take it.” She’s now facing several charges.

We call upon Sam Shamoun, Anthony Rogers and David Wood, to contact the authorities and help prevent a massacre in the name of Christianity, by a psychopath who claims he would absolutely kill everything that breathes if the voices in his head told him to do so.

and God knows best.

27 comments

  • I supposed there are no Muslims that have never claimed Allah told them to commit murder or blow themselves up

  • That’s not the argument I’m presenting. Hearing voices in Christianity is seen as a miracle, hearing voices in Islam, it is recommended to see a doctor. Speaking in gibberish in Christianity is seen as inspiration from God, in Islam this is seen as a sign of madness. We have two different sets of standards when it comes to abnormal behaviour.

  • Hi Ijaz whose voice did Muhammad hear in the cave? Just because someone says their name is Gabriel does not mean that it is.

  • “Hi Ijaz whose voice did Muhammad hear in the cave?”

    the voice which convinced middle eastern christians to leave, blood, sacrifice , trinity, holy ghost, original sin , paul, nt , ot…

  • Hi Mansubzero
    Why don’t you answer the question because it was not Allah that spoke to Muhammad, but the question is how did he hear the voice.

    Original sin…how do you account for humans dying…Genesis says death by sin.

  • children don’t sin . in parts of africa they die because of hunger, not sin.

    elijah didn’t die, even though according to you he was “born in sin”

    jesus was filled with sin and DIES

  • Hi Mansubzero
    Jesus was filled with sin…is that what Islam teaches?

    Children don’t lie? Children don’t steal? We don’t teach our children to do that its comes NATURALLY we have a sin nature.

  • Hi defendchrist,

    There are children who die even before they start to speak and steal. So death is not because of sin. We have a free will and we are born in pure ‘fitra’ (ie. no sin and no past life karmic debts)

  • Hi Muhammad
    Then why do you sin? If you were born sinless then how did you become a sinner? David said in sin his mother conceived him.

    Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

    Jesus said…Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
    Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
    Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
    Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

    Nothing said about society being the cause of sin…Jesus said it is from within man.

    This is getting away from the point which is how did Muhammad hear the voice of the Angel, and how did he know it was Gabriel that came to him.

  • “jesus said…Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
    Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
    Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
    Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”

    “Children don’t lie? Children don’t steal? We don’t teach our children to do that its comes NATURALLY we have a sin nature.”

    1. children have these sick thoughts within them? yes or no

    2. when an infant is nursed is he thinking of fornication? yes or no

    3. where in the torah is their sin sacrifice for “being born in sin ” or “sin nature”

    4. why do you and yeshuwa insult the womb?

    5. who CREATED “born in sin” ?

    6. why does yeshuwa inherit his mothers facial features but not her “born in sin” nature?

  • i think it is dangerous for a person like you to be around children.

  • Hi Wharf dale
    Let me answer your questions.

    1. Children do childish things…so they lie according to their realm for instance while dealing with children they would like against other children in the playground.

    2. Why would a nursing infant think about fornication? Isn’t the child meant to be sinless by Islam standards? Yet when that infant grows up and becomes attracted to a woman most of the time how is it described? Most would say by lust…lusting at a woman is sin right?

    So if a person sinless then they are sinless…if there is no sin in you then you won’t desire sinful ways and things.

    3. Sacrifice for sin is a part of the Jewish religion

    For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
    Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
    Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
    Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
    Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
    Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
    Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
    Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
    Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
    Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
    Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
    Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

    4. Attacking the prophet of Heaven be careful how you speak about Jesus.

    5. It was created it is what the bible says and if you don’t believe in what the bible says, then just get on with your life.

    6. What does facial features have to do with your sin nature?

  • Hi Guys
    This is what I was originally responding to in the article.

    Many schizophrenics who are Christians and proclaim to hear voices in their heads, otherwise known to them as “God”, pose a very real and terrifying threat to human life. It is quite disturbing to see the extent to which this Christian has been radicalized. Speaking on Christians who claim to hear God speaking to them, psychologist Tanya Marie says:

    I want to know how prophet Muhammad heard Angel Gabriel speaking and how did he know if this angel has revealed the truth to him..

  • “1. Children do childish things…so they lie according to their realm for instance while dealing with children they would like against other children in the playground.”

    who would call that a sin? they don’t know what they are doing. they learn when they grow up.
    what is the penalty for “childish things” ?

    “2. Why would a nursing infant think about fornication?”

    well if sin nature is in man then he didn’t learn it later on.

    ” Isn’t the child meant to be sinless by Islam standards?”

    i was talking about you and jesus.

    ” Yet when that infant grows up and becomes attracted ”

    “grows up”

    but children die in parts of africa before “they grow ” up

    so BEFORE they learn to do bad stuff THEY DIE

    so genesis is wrong

    “to a woman most of the time how is it described? Most would say by lust…lusting at a woman is sin right?”

    do children lust?

    “So if a person sinless then they are sinless…if there is no sin in you then you won’t desire sinful ways and things.”

    “if there is no sin in you” ? does the child LEARN sin from its mothers womb? does he learn fornication, adultery etc from its mothers womb? does he desire “sinful ways and things” when it is in its mothers womb?

    A simple yes or no would be better answer.

    “3. Sacrifice for sin is a part of the Jewish religion”

    so according to you when mary gave birth she had to bring a sin sacrficie because she brought sinful nature into the world, right?

    “4. Attacking the prophet of Heaven be careful how you speak about Jesus.”

    read john 13:12-21 “he who ate me bread has lifted his heel against me”
    quoting from the psalms

    now go to the psalms and see that jesus calls himself a SINNER. go to ps 41:1-13
    “i have sinned against thee!”

    the “he” in “he who ate me bread has lifted his heel against me” is the same “i” in
    “i have sinned against thee!”

  • hello dc

    where in the torah is the act of bringing in “sinful nature” require a SIN sacrifice?

    do you know why pagans and jews gave their children as an offering? because no sin was found in them

  • hello dc

    is it babies fault for being “born in sin” ?

  • defendchrist

    “sinful nature”
    “born in sin”

    Human beings do commit “sin” and do “good” as well. If you say because of the sin human do, they are “born in sin” then human beings are “born in good” as well.

    To single our sin and blame human being for that through no fault of theirs but because of that is how they were created and refuse to also not praise human being for the good they do and call them “born in good” or “goodness nature” has made you a disingenuous person who only focus on only bad and satanic things and forget good and godly things.

    Nature is totally different from the verb, adjective, noun, pronoun or any figure of speech it qualifies. i.e. “sinful nature” is not “sin”. Nature is not a sin and “sinful nature” is not a sin.

    So to say that because one is born with capacity to do good or sin is automatically a sinner even though he has committed no sin is disingenuous and wicked.

    Why is there hell to punish to who sin? because they sin? not because of their nature? where in the Bible does it say God will punish “sinful nature” but not a sinner or the one who sins’

    A one who did not commit any sin is not a sinner. It is only a disingenuous God who will punish someone who did not commit sin because of his nature that he was created through no fault of his.

    Prophet Mohammed is a prophet who has billions of followers with a scripture and the driver of the vehicle is not a prophet and do not have a single follower.

    Prophet Mohammed saw the Angel and was terrified and the Angel squeezed him.

    Paul of Tarsus did not see God but had vision and you believed him.

    We believe in Moses, Joseph, Abraham, Isaac, Solomon David etc. and all prophets of God if they hear voices but not an ordinary driver or any Christian who do not show any evidence that he is a prophet of God.

    We believe the voices heard by prophets of God but not ordinary Christians who are sick and need to consult psychiatrists.

  • Hi Mansubzero
    Then who is responsible for a man getting cancer…after his dad and dad and dad who also had cancer, can you explain that because you ask the question is it the babies fault.

    I will also ask again my original question and this is…how did Prophet Muhammad hear the voice of the Angel in the cave?

    Does he qualify as insane as well for hearing a voice?

  • Not all babies born from a cancer patients gets cancer but in Christian theology all babies born are sinners from the sin of Adam and will be punished by God.

    Prophet Mohammed did not hear the voice but saw an angel. It is insane if a person hearing voices is not a prophet of God. Moses, Jesus, Abraham, Solomon and all prophets of God hear voices or saw other creatures and we believe them because they are prophets of God.

    Any one apart from the prophets of God who hear voices and sees other creatures is insane.

  • Hi Thinkverywell

    Now how was Muhammad told to read or recite? Through mime? Because it is recorded that the Angel spoke to him, why are you saying something different.

    Ijaz article is saying that lots of people who are classed by some to be Christians are insane because they say they hear God speaking to them.

    Once again whose voice did the Prophet Muhammad hear?

    Luk 2:8 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
    Luk 2:9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
    Luk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

    These shepherds heard the Angel they are not prophets.

    Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
    Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
    Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
    Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
    Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

    These women along with Mary were not prophets and they heard the voice of the Angel as well as seeing them, what are you talking about?

  • Hi Thinkverywell
    Who told it was only prophets that hear voices from the spiritual where is that written that if you hear a voice you believe to be God that you are insane?

  • “Then who is responsible for a man getting cancer…after his dad and dad and dad who also had cancer, can you explain that because you ask the question is it the babies fault.”

    cancer is not a sin. diseases can be controlled via injections + medicines. children inherit features of their parents. jesus inherits features of his mother.
    his mother “born in sin” /created in sin
    children who have not one sin to their name “created in sin”
    yes, it is your god’s fault for being such biased god who makes himself not “born in sin”
    yes, it is your god’s fault for creating such easily corruptible human nature.
    then your god forces himself into a corner and has to give himself two choices:
    either human death (like noahs flood)
    or his own death

    then:
    if people don’t accept his temporary death and fully restored health and resurrection, people are doomed?

    what kind of a game is this? a god needs to box himself into a corner because of what he created?

    “I will also ask again my original question and this is…how did Prophet Muhammad hear the voice of the Angel in the cave?”

    jesus fasted and then satan started to speak to him…
    jesus was baptized and then heard a voice and then a spirit descended
    same spirit drives him out into the wilderness

    so how did jesus hear these voices? any pro jesus answer can be applied to muhammad too ,right?

  • “jesus said…Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
    Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
    Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
    Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”

    i will ask you again
    who created this heart ? god or adam?
    who created the desires? god or adam? if it is from “out of the heart”
    then isn’t the same heart used to fight temptations and desires? if yes, does that mean “out of the heart” comes out anti-satan thoughts?
    if it is “from out of the heart” then infants, children and unborn are thinking of fornication and other fantasies . if they are not thinking then what is preventing them from thinking such things? why is not the full effect of “original sin” working?

    if it is not working then is it fine to

    hang an infant on the cross?

    1. either children are thinking these things and they can’t help themselves

    2. or they learn later on in life

  • Hi Ijaz
    What are my comments always awaiting moderation and the other people that make comments sail through?

  • Hey Mansubzero
    I’m asking for an answer from a Islamic perspective…how did he hear the voice of the Angel Gabriel? This article is dealing with the issue of Christians hearing the voice of God, and so forget about how Jesus dealt with the devil and responds to the Holy Ghost.

    I want an answe from a Muslim to explain to me how the Prophet Muhammad heard the voice.

  • quote :
    And how did Stephen manage to see a Jesus that nobody else could see?

    And how did Paul see a real person from Macedonia in a vision? Did the guy from Macedonia teleport to appear in this vision, like a character from Star Trek?

    And how did Peter think there was real food to eat when he saw unclean food in a vision? Didn’t he know you can’t eat food you see in a vision?

    Paul also claimed to have seen a real person from Macedonia in a vision. (See Acts)

    So early Christians mistook visions for reality. They couldn’t tell the difference between what was real (real people from Macedonia), and what was just a vision.

    quote :

    T: Hartmann wants it both ways. He wants the Greek to mean a loud sound to the people standing close to Saul, but a loud voice to Saul himself. The problem for Christian fundamentalists is that the stories are inconsistent.

    At this point, we need to address a problem in Hartmann’s paper. He cites various Greek experts from the past — Archibald Thomas Robertson, Marvin Richardson Vincent, Joseph Henry Thayer, and Ray Summers — in an attempt to show that all three versions of the story say the same thing with respect to some sort of sound from heaven. Before I started researching the issue, I did not fully appreciate the extent to which the conversion stories in Acts have aroused so much anxiety among conservative inerrantists. Longtime readers of Vridar may recall that I enjoy language quirks, and this one is no exception.

    The question at hand has to do with whether the voice (or sound) is in the genitive or the accusative case. Here we see how far and how long apologists will go in order to harmonize disparate accounts. Hartmann concludes his analysis with a quotation from Ray Summers. He says that it’s “widely cited,” which is true, but almost exclusively in apologist literature. As to whether the words in question refer to a sound or a noise he writes:

    “[Ray Summers] discusses the correct translation of the two versions . . . and concludes ‘both constructions say the same thing; the companions of Saul did not understand what the voice said to Saul; to them it was unintelligible sound.’” (Hartmann, 2015, p. 374)

    Oddly enough, although he refers to Summers’ book, Essentials of New Testament Greek, in the text, he does not do so in the bibliography. He appears to be quoting from online apologists’ pages. I was baffled, because I couldn’t find this quotation anywhere in Summers’ works using online resources, so I ordered the 1950 printing of Essentials of New Testament Greek, which arrived yesterday (16 May). Here’s what it says:

    Some verbs take their [direct] object in a case other than the accusative. ἀκούω [akouō] may take its object in the genitive or the accusative. Usually, ἀκούω with the genitive means “to hear without understanding,” while with the accusative it means “to hear with understanding.” This probably explains the difficulty involved in Acts 9:7 and 22:9. The incident is the experience of Paul in seeing the light and hearing the voice on the road to Damascus. Acts 9:7 states that Paul’s companions hear the voice (ἀκούω with the genitive); Acts 22:9 says they did not hear the voice (ἀκούω with the accusative). Thus both constructions say the same thing: the companions of Paul did not understand what the voice said to Paul; to them it was an unintelligible sound. (Summers, 1950, p. 51, emphasis mine)

    These few sentences have provided aid and comfort to the apologist cause for decades, but Summers’ fanciful argument is incorrect. Note that in the 1995 revision, heavily edited by Thomas Sawyer, this part was excised. Now we’re merely told that a certain class of verb can take either the genitive or the accusative, and that:

    A parallel to this exists in English where one states “I have heard of that” in contrast to “I heard that.” (Summers, 1995, p. 52).

    In point of fact Koine Greek apparently allowed for the use of the genitive or accusative with no difference in meaning. On the other hand ancient Greek did differentiate between the two. In Attic Greek, the accusative refers to a “thing heard,” while the genitive refers to the “person from whom it is heard.” (See Liddell and Scott online at the Perseus Digital Library.) According to Blass and Debrunner:

    The classical rule for ἀκούειν [akouein] is: the person whose words are heard stands in the genitive, the thing . . . about which (or whom) one hears is in the accusative. . . The NT wavers between genitive and accusative in phrases meaning ‘to hear a sound’ . . . (Blass and Debrunner, 1961, p. 95, § 173.)

    Hartmann summarizes by claiming that if we harmonize the three accounts, the smashed-together combo tells us “that all of the party witnessed the phenomenon, but that, excluding Saul, the other witnesses saw no one and heard no one speaking — consistent with a fireball.” (Hartmann, 2015, p. 374) He argues that they all saw the light and heard a loud sound of some sort. But that is not what the text says.

    Version 1: Saul’s companions saw the light and heard the voice.

    Version 2: Saul’s companions saw the light but did not hear the voice.

    Version 3: Not mentioned.

    The NIV and many other modern English versions translate the Greek word for heard (ἤκουσαν [ēkousan]) in Acts 22:9 as understood. But let’s be honest. If they weren’t trying to harmonize the accounts, they wouldn’t do that. The verb to hear (ἀκούω [akouō]) occurs in some form or other 430 times in the NT. The NASB and the NIV translate it as “understand” only twice: once here in Acts and once in 1 Cor. 14:2.

    True to form, the NIV carefully harmonizes versions 1 and 2 by having the men (V1) hear a sound but (V2) not understand a voice, even though the words are the same in both cases. If we would venture to make any distinction at all between the two versions, we might appeal to the ancient Greek custom of using the genitive case for people and the accusative case for things.

    Version 1: The object of hearing is in the genitive — φωνῆς (phōnēs). Genitive is for people, but the NIV translates it as “sound.”

    Version 2: The object of hearing is in the accusative — φωνὴν (phōnēn). Accusative is for things, but the NIV translates it as “voice.”

    As mentioned above Greek experts generally agree that this case distinction was not as common among speakers of Koine Greek. Whether Luke was following this rule or not, the meaning in Acts 9:7 is plainly obvious: “. . . but they did not hear the voice of the one talking to me.“
    Hartmann fantasizes that “voice” in these contexts “may have a usage here something like English idiomatic usages, such as ‘the voice of the guns,’ or ‘the thunder told us to go inside.’” (Hartmann, 2015, p. 374) However, the grammar of 9:7 indicates the opposite. We have the present participle “speaking” as part of a prepositional phrase “of the one speaking,” which describes “the voice.” It is not an idiomatic expression; it literally means “the voice of the one speaking.”

    quote:
    Storytellers were apt to add details to stories that were vague, or to give names to people otherwise left nameless in a tradition, or to add named individuals to stories that originally mentioned only nameless individuals or undifferentiated groups of people. This is a tradition that lived on long after the New Testament period, as my own teacher Bruce Metzger showed so elegantly in his article “Names for the Nameless.” Here he showed all the traditions of people who were unnamed in New Testament stories receiving names later

    “how did he hear the voice of the Angel Gabriel?”

    any pro-jesus answer can be applied to muhammad, right?

  • Hi Mansubzero

    You said…So early Christians mistook visions for reality. They couldn’t tell the difference between what was real (real people from Macedonia), and what was just a vision.

    That was a silly comment because it was a 1st century that was writing the book of Acts, what are you talking about?

    If God spoke to a Jew in a dream to eat unclean animals because the Jewish man answers God in the negative that does not mean he believed he could actually eat the food.

    You are talking about something that is not in the text,God is giving a command and he is answering God in the vision.

    If you read the bible properly you would see that Peter knew the difference between reality and vision.

    Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
    Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon’s house, and stood before the gate,
    Act 10:18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
    Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
    Act 10:20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
    Act 10:21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

    Where do you read in this text that Peter cannot tell the difference between vision and reality?

    What about Stephen where does the text indicate that he cannot tell the difference?

    Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
    Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
    Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

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