Jesus and YHWH Argue Against the Crucifixion
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,
As is customary on this website, we do not appeal to the Qur’aan when investigating the Christian scripture. Rather, we look at the Bible and examine what it says, then we study a Christian scholarly exegesis, whereon we form our opinions and arguments. Does Jesus and YHWH argue against the crucifixion? Surprisingly to most Christians, they do! The very notion of God killing himself/ His own son because His laws which He commanded His creation follow were not able to lead man to salvation is very unmerciful, quite wrathful and vengeful. There are those amongst us who would say that such an interpretation is crude and rough around the edges, but if we are to be object, is a God who requires death for salvation more merciful than a God who does not? The answer is clear to those with understanding and sincerity.
The Old Testament
The sacrificial cultus of the Old and New Testaments, often find difficulty in harmonizing YHWH’s disdain, dislike and eventual hate for sacrifices:
“The multitude of your sacrifices— what are they to me?” says the Lord. “I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.
12 When you come to appear before me, who has asked this of you, this trampling of my courts?
13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations— I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.
14 Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them.
15 When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you; even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Your hands are full of blood! – Isaiah 1:11-15.
He continues by saying:
“Yet you have not called on me, Jacob, you have not wearied yourselves for[a] me, Israel.
23 You have not brought me sheep for burnt offerings, nor honored me with your sacrifices. I have not burdened you with grain offerings nor wearied you with demands for incense.
24 You have not bought any fragrant calamus for me, or lavished on me the fat of your sacrifices. But you have burdened me with your sins and wearied me with your offenses. – Isaiah 43:22-24.
YHWH, He’s tired of sacrifices, He sees them as are burdens, in the end its just bloodied hands. God is no longer honored with sacrifices, these offerings of sacrifice are meaningless, He has no pleasure in the blood of the sacrificial beings. A sacrifice will not benefit the followers of YHWH any longer, so why then do Christians emphasize the ‘sacrifice of Christ’, if YHWH Himself now detests such acts?
The New Testament
Jesus ratifies this message of anti-sacrifices by preaching a profound message found in the Old Testament:
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings. – Hosea 6:6.
He says twice:
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” – Matthew 9:13.
If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. – Matthew 12:7.
From this, we understand that both Jesus the Christ and YHWH both agree with Islamic soteriology, that a specific sacrifice does not absolve the sins of all mankind, for God desires mercy (Rahma) and not sacrifice! Those who claim to love the Christ, must understand his words, in the sense that salvation is not earned by the death and unmerciful torture of one man, but by God’s mercy, not sacrifice!
On Hosea 6:6, we read from Adam Clarke’s Exegesis:
” I taught them righteousness by my prophets; for I desired mercy. I was more willing to save than to destroy; and would rather see them full of penitent and holy resolutions, than behold them offering the best and most numerous victims upon my altar.”
YHWH does not want more bloodshed and victims upon His altar, He is more willing to save than to destroy an innocent man’s life (Christ). This is the truth, as is mentioned by YHWH Himself, Christ and the Islamic faith.
wa Allaahu ‘Alam.
Psalms 62:13.And You, O Lord, have kindness, for You repay a man according to his deed.Ecclesiates 12:14.
For every deed God will bring to judgment-for every hidden thing, whether good or bad.
Learn to do right, seek justice, protect victims, treat orphans justly, support the claims of widows.
.The question christians must answer is why does yhwh say that LEARNING TO DO RIGHT IS BETTER THAN A BLOODIEd cross /4×4 planks of wood?
Clearly Doing deeds are on a higher status BECAUSE TORAH ITSELF SAYS DEEDS ARE REWARDED
The cross is Covered with blood, yhwh says WASH your hands they are covered with blood coming off a cross, Wash your mouths because it drinks blood.
No where did the torah say that god murdered his created flesh and tranfered sins upon his flesh because he discovered how harsh his CREATED LAWS WERE and ths jews wiuld use his laws to do him over, the torah doesnt say this.
Think about it, if yhwh needed blood he would have told the
Jews to wear knives around their knecks because knives were used to slaughter the large numbrr of different offerings.
If a god needs his own created blood to be shed it doesnt make any sense why he beams up doing good deeds and desiring 4 man to do good when tri christianity says even repentance and GUILT COULdNT stop god from wrecking himself in his incarnation. How can you say yhwh is your god when yhwh is at a thinking level and your god requires MEANINGLESS murder of his created flesh to cool off?
This post ignores the vast amount of information that the Torah and Psalms teach about sacrifice and instead misquotes a few verses. The verses it quotes are about hypocritical sacrifices that God hates. It is the same with hypocritical prayers, etc.
Sacrifice is a major theme in the Torah, Prophets, Psalms and Gospel.
If any reader is genuine in wanting to know this then read Leviticus chapters 1-7 & 16. The entire temple of Israel and the priesthood were setup for this.
Lev 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.
Hi Pastor Samuel (from the Answering Muslims Blog),
1. I didn’t misquote anything, I’ve taken the verses directly from Bible Gateway’s NIV version (without edit) and I’ve even provided the source links (in blue). Please indicate where the misquotes have occurred, I take such accusations very seriously and will fix such an issue without delay.
2. The verses do not mention hypocrisy, rather the verses mention that God has had enough of the sacrifices, that he has had enough of the offerings.
3. We accept that atonement through sacrifice is a major theme in the OT.
4. The argument from Leviticus is a tad bit anachronistic, I’m ready from Isaiah and the New Testament, these verses came after that (I’m sure you know this). As Jesus says, God desires mercy and not sacrifice and with him we Muslims agree.
Thanks for your comment.
Samuel Green, can you please show me where Leveticus 17:11 in any English translation or in the original Hebrew or in the Septuagint teaches you that blood remits sins that a person commits? It says “atones for life” or “hadam hu benefesh yakaphar”. The verb “kaphar” means “to cover”. It does not actually to eliminate or make disappear. Thus the verse actually says “the blood covers life”. Can you please tell me how you exegete that to mean cancelling sins and then correlate it to Jesus’ alleged death on the cross?
*It does not actually mean to eliminate or make disappear