Refutation: Does Jesus’ Holy Spirit Make Him Divine?
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,
As it would seem, Chessie Edwards was so incensed by the proverbial spanking he got in relation to his poor study of Christology that he made a video about Christian apostate, Br. Hamza and his article. I’d like to make it known that Islam prohibits mocking of the mentally ill, or mocking of anyone for that matter, but in this case I’m making an excuse for Chessie as he seems to slip in and out of it every once in a while. I watched his video, and sadly I am unable to make up for the time lost. Was his video worth it? Nope.
He spends 37 minutes speaking about his ego, his studies, money donations, mentions the articles a few times, mentions that he was a Muslim etc. The only reason he spent time making a 37 minute video (with special effects and all), is to avoid writing an article where you actually have to use quotations, references, citations. You must understand that this is Chessie’s weak point, he’s not an academic, he doesn’t study, he is at best a Christian for the camera, not a Christian who is able in the field of apologetics. This can be seen by his lacklustre writing skills and his lack of intellectual fortitude via our Rebuttals section. He’s been refuted on this same topic by Christian apostate Br. Hamza in this article, thrashed by me in this article, wholly refuted in this article, demolished in this article, and now he’s finally realised that writing about it any further will cause him severe embarrassment. It’s bothered him so much that after numerous comments left on this website (not a blog), over several weeks, after several written responses, he’s so incensed at being intellectually rounded, that he’s resorted to making a video, and a bad one at that.
Out of those 37 minutes, he does ask a question, and it’s a question which completely refutes himself. He asked, ‘Where do Christians teach this, where does Christianity teach this’? If he had read any of the 5 articles on the subject, he’d have endless resources to utilize. However, because I am a good natured 20 year old, and I understand that Chessie is getting old; I will aid him one final time in his understanding of his religion. Let’s turn to a Patristic whom I quoted earlier, who clearly answers Chessie’s question:
“Nay, but he adds, And that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit,3 because God is spirit,4 and He was born of God:5 this certainly has him in view, the more so if it has also those who believe in him.’ Then if this too applies to him, why not also that other? For you cannot divide them, this to him, the other to the rest of men: for you do not deny the two substances of Christ, that of flesh and that of spirit. But if he possessed flesh no less than spirit, when he makes a statement concerning the condition of the two substances which he bore within himself, he cannot be thought to have made a pronouncement concerning spirit as being his but flesh as not his. Thus, since he was himself by the Spirit of God (and the Spirit is God) born of God, he was also of human flesh and as man conceived and born in the flesh.” – Tertullian, De Carne Christi, 18.
Let’s then turn to the Catholic Church’s Cathechism which teaches what we’ve been saying all along:
I. THE JOINT MISSION OF THE SON AND THE SPIRIT
689 The One whom the Father has sent into our hearts, the Spirit of his Son, is truly God.10 Consubstantial with the Father and the Son, the Spirit is inseparable from them, in both the inner life of the Trinity and his gift of love for the world. In adoring the Holy Trinity, life-giving, consubstantial, and indivisible, the Church’s faith also professes the distinction of persons. When the Father sends his Word, he always sends his Breath. In their joint mission, the Son and the Holy Spirit are distinct but inseparable. To be sure, it is Christ who is seen, the visible image of the invisible God, but it is the Spirit who reveals him.
690 Jesus is Christ, “anointed,” because the Spirit is his anointing, and everything that occurs from the Incarnation on derives from this fullness.11 When Christ is finally glorified,12 he can in turn send the Spirit from his place with the Father to those who believe in him: he communicates to them his glory,13 that is, the Holy Spirit who glorifies him.14 From that time on, this joint mission will be manifested in the children adopted by the Father in the Body of his Son: the mission of the Spirit of adoption is to unite them to Christ and make them live in him:
The notion of anointing suggests . . . that there is no distance between the Son and the Spirit. Indeed, just as between the surface of the body and the anointing with oil neither reason nor sensation recognizes any intermediary, so the contact of the Son with the Spirit is immediate, so that anyone who would make contact with the Son by faith must first encounter the oil by contact. In fact there is no part that is not covered by the Holy Spirit. That is why the confession of the Son’s Lordship is made in the Holy Spirit by those who receive him, the Spirit coming from all sides to those who approach the Son in faith.15
Chessie, now that you have been thoroughly refuted and routed once more, I suggest you get a refund from that Bible school you are attending, clearly you’re wasting your parent’s money and my time.
wa Allaahu ‘Alam.
Can you please point out exactly where in any of the two quotes above it says Jesus was human being who’s human spirit was replaced by the Holy Spirit and that’s the reason he is divine. You clearly do not understand the things you are reading, and you are reading your own ideas into them. Thank you in advance.
Hey there CL,
Please read, “the Spirit of his Son, is truly God”. Thanks for asking your question, the answer though was right in front of your eyes.
I maybe a little blind Ijaz so I need to to specifically point out the exact words that say such a thing because I do not see it.
A little? Forgive me, but I am no miracle worker, I have pointed out the words in bold for you already. Since this is the case and your sight may not be well, you should consider seeking medical help, not only of the sight but of the mind as well.
But Ijaz those words don’t say what you claim they say. Isn’t that a problem?
I find that hard to believe, since it literally says:
It literally says the Son’s Spirit is God, how does that not say what I claim? Do I somehow not claim the Spirit of the Son is divine!?
Mmm you claimed that Jesus was divine because his spirit was replaced by the holy Spirit… how did you derive that from ” “the Spirit of his Son, is truly God” or any other source ?
You seem to play fast and loose with words.
Here this is a verbatim quote from the original article “Jesus’ body was human and his human spirit was replaced with the Holy Spirit (God). Therefore when Jesus died on the cross it was the body that died and not the spirit (of God) which is eternal” is proven by two quotes found.. ”
I do not see that in this statement ” “the Spirit of his Son, is truly God” or in any of the other quotes you have posted so far. I have never heard or seen one Pastor or theologian say such a thing, never seen it in any creed, or statement of faith, never read it in any book of systematic theology.
Refer to my original post on this topic. A human (which Jesus was), as both a SOUL and a SPIRIT. When you are baptised and the Spirit enters you, it overtakes the human spirit and concedes control to the HS.
Well you’re clearly a confused individual as I have provided citations for everything I’ve stated. I think the operational word is ‘I’, because while you may not have, I have and I did demonstrate it.
So you do not see a discrepancy between the first statement ” “Jesus’ body was human and his human spirit was replaced with the Holy Spirit (God)” and this new revised statement ” A human (which Jesus was), as both a SOUL and a SPIRIT. When you are baptised and the Spirit enters you, it overtakes the human spirit and concedes control to the HS.” ?
Also are you now claiming people lose their will when the holy spirit enters them? What Biblical data did you based this on? Who proceeded you in making such a statement that you lose your will?
No contradiction, it is simple to understand. This is my last comment on this, I keep repeating myself and it’s boring me. A human as both a soul and a spirit. When you are baptised with the Spirit, it guides you, or is supposed to guide you, see John 16:13 –
Do you then preach that the Spirit does not guide the one who it is inside of? See the extensive amount of references, citations, and quotes I have provided.
What does any of that have to do with Jesus spirit being replaced by the Holy Spirit as you claim, remember this is the statement you defended ” Jesus’ body was human and his human spirit was replaced with the Holy Spirit (God)” ? Are you repudiating this statement now?
Also a while back you claimed Christ did not really die because his spirit did not die, I am still waiting on you to tell me how you came to believe immaterial spirits can experience physical death ?
Or you could just be truthful and admit you have no idea what you are talking about.
Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18
If you’re honestly asking me what my response has to do in relation to what you asked, then I strongly suggest you read your comment first. You asked if I could demonstrate such a belief with evidences:
And I produced a quote where the Spirit literally guides you, or if that does not satiate your tastes, then study the doctrines of perfect and permissible will, thoroughly:
“because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.” – Romans 8:14
They’re being led, I’m sure you know what that word means. As for your second claim about Spirits and death, refer to my original post, it is clear you did not grasp it, I believe I also used a Biblical lexicon to clarify the usage of the term as well.
Thanks for quoting Proverbs and trying to act academic, but it doesn’t aid your argument, sorry.