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Refutation: If Jesus is God … was he praying to himself?

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Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

Question:

If Jesus is God, then who was he praying to on the cross when he said, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me”? (Mark 15:34; Matthew 27:46) Was he praying to himself? If so, was he complaining to himself about why he had forsaken himself?

Answer:

Sam Shamoun does not actually answer this question directly. Instead he meanders back and forth about the Trinity, mentions the Crucifiction and then in the end diverts from this absurdity in his doctrine and invents a strawman, whereby he attempts to question Muslims about Allaah’s “Prayer”. In spite of all his trickery, after much searching for a decisive answer in his article, I found that he does hint at an answer, or strongly tries to imply one by stating:

The Holy Bible teaches that there are three distinct, yet inseparable Persons who exist as the one true God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The three Persons of God, because they are personally distinct, have loving communion and dialog amongst themselves. Therefore, the Lord Jesus wasn’t praying to himself on the Cross, but was actually praying to the Person of the Father.

This ‘answer’ of sorts, actually furthers the case the question presents, it actually proves that Jesus was praying to Himself, allow me to explain. The logic flows as such:

  • Jesus is God.
  • Father is God.
  • Jesus is praying to God.
  • Since Jesus is God and he is praying to God.
  • Then he is praying to himself.

The only way this would not be circular theological reasoning, is if Jesus was not God, since this is not the case and Jesus is praying to God, and God is also Jesus, then he indeed and most certainly was praying to himself. Sam then adds insult to injury by claiming that his God, was and will forever be an equal to him, a human, a man:

Furthermore, the Holy Bible also teaches that Jesus became, and forever will remain, a true human being. It is, therefore, not surprising that Christ did what every God-fearing person is supposed to do, namely pray and worship God.

Given the above, Sam continues to persist in building the case against him, once again his argument can be represented as:

  • He says Christ is God.
  • He says Christ worships God.
  • Therefore Christ is worshipping himself.

Therefore Sam’s answer qualifies the belief that Christ was praying to himself, for if Christ is fully God, as Sam believes, then Christ was forsaking himself. Unless Sam believes that the Father who is God, can diminish the power of the Jesus-God person in the Godhead, which would then mean that they are not co-equal nor co-existent in the ‘Godhead’. Either way, Sam’s case is against Christianity. As indicated in this article, an earlier pronouncement in the book of Psalms ensures that God could not have killed Jesus, his ‘son’, specifically ‘forsaking‘ or ‘cutting off his loved ones‘:

“For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. They will be protected forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off;” – Bible : Psalms (37) : Verse 28.

Our modus operandi from this verse onwards is intended to imply that Jesus would be the most faithful and the most just person of his time with respect to his life and personhood, whether you consider him to be a God, a man or otherwise. Both Muslims and Christians can agree on this following excerpt from the Gospel, which attributes these words to him:

“…I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.” – Bible : John (5) : Verse 30.

The verses from Psalms (Tehillim) and from John (above), promote the understanding that Jesus was just because he judged according to the rule and law of God and thus since the Old Testament says that God loves and will not forsake such a person, we all can accept that Christ was loved and would not be forsaken by God. However as a Muslim reading the New Testament, the image it portrays of Christ is in opposition to the promise of Psalms as we have previously read, the Bible says:

“About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi lama sabachthani?”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”  – Bible : Matthew (27) : Verse 46.

“And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” – Bible : Mark (15) : 34.

It is clear for anyone who is purely intended that these stories, depictions of a man forsaken by God, cannot be the man portrayed in John 5:30 and Psalms 37:28. Rather, it reminds of the man later spoken of in Psalms 37:28:

“…They will be protected forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off;” – Bible : Psalms (37) : Verse 28.

Am I supposed to believe that Christ was a wicked man, cut off from the mercy of God? As a Muslim, it burdens my heart to have to believe that this is what someone who loves Christ could possibly believe.  In fact, even Christian scholars have purported that this alleged saying of Christ is out of his character and simply demeans him, Matthew Henry in his Commentary of the Bible, says:

“That our Lord Jesus was, in his sufferings, for a time, forsaken by his Father. So he saith himself, who we are sure was under no mistake concerning his own case. That Christ’s being forsaken of his Father was the most grievous of his sufferings, and that which he complained most of. “ – Matthew Henry’s Complete Commentary on the Bible, Matthew 27.

Therefore, not only was Christ-God forsaking himself, he made himself to suffer and he even complained to himself about himself. Mind blowing absurdity to say the least. Lastly, Sam tries to meander away from this theological conundrum by attempting to claim that Allaah prays to Himself:

The Quran says that Allah prays:

Upon them shall be prayers (salawatun) from their Lord and mercy, and they are the rightly directed. S. 2:157

He it is who sends PRAYERS on you (Arabic- yusallii alaykum), as do His angels … S. 33:43

Allah and His angels PRAY for the Prophet (Arabic- yasalluuna alan-Nabiyy): O ye that believe PRAY for him (salluu `alayhi), and salute him with all respect. S. 33:56

However this is responded to in detail by Br. Ibn Anwar in his post here on the Unveiling Christianity website. In short, Br. Ibn Anwar explains:

The following is from Lisan al-Arab authored by Ibn Mazur al-Afriqi which is one of the major reference materials for anyone persuing academic studies in Arabic:

والصلاة الدعاء والاستغفار…وصلاة الله على رسوله رحمته له وحسن ثنائه عليه وفى حديث ابن أبى آوفى آنه قال أعطانى أبى صدقة ماله فاتيت بها رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال اللهم صل على آل أبى أوفى قال الازهرى هذه الصلاة عندى الرحمة ومنه قوله عز وجل ان الله وملا ئكته يصلون على النبى يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ صَلُّواْ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُواْ تَسْلِيماً فالصلاة من الملائكة دعاء واستغفار ومن الله رحمة وبه سميت الصلاة لما فيها من الدعاء ولاستغفار وفى الحديث التحيات لله والصلوات قال أبوىبكر الصلوات معن ها الترحم وقوله تعالى ان الله وملا ئكته يصلون على النبى اى يترحمون

“Al-Salah is supplication and seeking forgiveness…and the Salah of Allah upon his messenger is His blessing/mercy for him and magnification/praises  upon him. In the narration of Ibn Abi Awfa verily he said: “My father gave charity from his own wealth. Thereafter I went to the messenger of Allah with it whereby the Prophet s.a.w. said, “Oh Allah send Salah on the family of Abi Awfa.” Azhari said that this Salah in his sight means al-Rahmah(the blessing/mercy). And Allah s.w.t. says,”Verily, Allah and His angels send Salah(blessings) upon the Prophet. O you who believe, do pray Allah to bless him, and send your Salam to him in abundance.” Thus theSalah of the angels are supplication(du’a) and seeking forgiveness(for the messenger) and from Allah it is His blessing(rahmah). And it is called Salah within which is supplication and seeking for forgiveness. And in the narration on the greetings and salawat(plural of salah), Abu Bakr said, “Al-salawat means conferring blessing” and Allah said, “Verily, Allah and His angels send Salah(blessings) upon the Prophet” which means they bless him.”

Isma’il bin Hammad al-Jawhari in his Sihah Taj al-Lughah wa Sihah al-’Arabiyyah defines it as follows:

والصلاة من الله تعالى : الرحمة

“Al-Salah when it is from Allah means mercy/blessing.”

Abi Mansur Muhammad bin Ahmad al-Azhari in his massive Tahzib al-Lughah  defines it as follows:

نوما فإن لجنب المرء مضطجعا وأما حديث ابن أبى أوفى أنه قال : أعطانى أبى صدقة ماله فأتيت بها رسول الله صل الله عليه وسلم فقال : (( اللهم صل على آل أبى أوفى )) فإن هذه الصلاة عندى الرحمة , ومنه قوله جل وعز : ( إن الله وملائكته يصلون على النبى ) فالصلاة من الملائكة دعاء واستغفار , ومن الله سبحانه رحمة .

He mentions the same narration as Ibn Manzur al-Afriqi that Ibn Abi Awfa went to the Prophet s.a.w. with charity given by his father from his wealth “upon which the Prophet s.a.w. remarked, “Oh Allah, send Salah on the family of Abi Awfa.” Therefore this al-Salah with me means al-Rahmah(the blessing/mercy). And from His(Allah’s) word: “Verily, Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet”. Al Salah from the angels is supplication and seeking for forgiveness(for him), and from Allah s.w.t. it means blessing/mercy.””

Therefore when it is said Allaah’s ‘prayer’ it does not mean that like the God of the Bible, where he is praying to himself to save himself from himself, rather it refers to Allaah’s rahmat and barakat upon a person or group of persons by bestowing His favours (mercy) upon them as mentioned in Surah Ar Rahman:

فَبِأَيِّ آلَاءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ

Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?

Let’s embarrass Sam further and examine the verses he uses:

أُولَـٰئِكَ عَلَيْهِمْ صَلَوَاتٌ مِّن رَّبِّهِمْ وَرَحْمَةٌ ۖ وَأُولَـٰئِكَ هُمُ الْمُهْتَدُونَ
(2:157) – They are those on whom are the Salawat (i.e. blessings, etc.) (i.e. who are blessed and will be forgiven) from their Lord, and (they are those who) receive His Mercy, and it is they who are the guided-ones.

In the first case, the ayah he uses explicitly tells us both in the Arabic that God’s ‘prayer upon’ a people, means that His Rahma (mercy) is conveyed upon them. This as Sam admits by use of the verse (and explicitly as we will see later), does not mean God is praying to anyone. Thus this cannot be equated to the God of the Bible, whom Sam concedes was praying to himself. Let’s take a look at the next ayah he references:

هُوَ الَّذِي يُصَلِّي عَلَيْكُمْ وَمَلَائِكَتُهُ لِيُخْرِجَكُم مِّنَ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ ۚ وَكَانَ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ رَحِيمًا
(33:43) – He it is Who sends Salat (His blessings) on you, and His angels too (ask Allah to bless and forgive you), that He may bring you out from darkness (of disbelief and polytheism) into light (of Belief and Islamic Monotheism). And He is Ever Most Merciful to the believers.

Once again, in the verse that Sam uses, it demonstrates to us that God’s “Salat” is His conveyance of mercy to the believers. Notice the term (يُصَلِّي عَلَيْكُمْ) which means “Prays Upon”, just as how we would pray upon a person, this would not mean praying to a person. Unless Sam believes that when he prays upon his wife or mother when she is ill, he actually means to be praying to them? If that’s the case, then he needs to study basic Grammar. Let’s now examine the last verse he references:

إِنَّ اللَّـهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ
(33:56) – Allah sends His Salat (Graces, Honours, Blessings, Mercy, etc.) on the Prophet (Muhammad SAW) and also His angels too (ask Allah to bless and forgive him).

Notice once again the use of the word ( عَلَى), as aforementioned, there is a distinction between praying ‘upon’ and praying ‘to’, the word ( عَلَى), means ‘upon’. Just as in As Salaamu ‘Alaykum – the same term ( عَلَى) is used, but in the plural meaning “upon you all“. This only goes to demonstrate that Sam is both heavily deficient in both the Arabic and English languages. Lastly, Sam Shamoun concedes that when the term ‘salat’ is used in relation to Allaah, it refers to Allaah’s conveying of His mercy:

The following is a translation of an alleged prayer of Allah taken from Ibn Hisham’s Al-Sirah Al-Halabiyya:

قلت يا جبريل أيصلى ربك قال نعم قلت وما يقول قال يقول سبوح قدوس رب الملائكة والروح سبقت رحمتى غضبى

I [Muhammad] said, “O Gabriel, does your Lord pray?” He said, “Yes.” I said, “What does he say?” “This is what he says. He says: ‘Glory, holy, Lord of the angels and the Spirit. My mercy overcomes my wrath.’” (Source; translation, bold, underline and comments within brackets ours)

Another Muslim scholar made the following comments about surah 33:56 and Allah praying:

Allah makes the merit of His Prophet clear by first praying blessing on Himself, and then by the prayer of the angels, and then by commanding His slaves to pray blessing and peace on him as well. Abu Bakr ibn Furak related that one of the ‘ulama interpreted the words of the Prophet, “The coolness of my eye is in the prayer,” as meaning Allah’s prayer, that of the angels and that of his community in response to Allah’s command until the Day of Rising. The prayer of angels and men is supplication for him and that of Allah is mercy.

Therefore in Sam’s own argument he concludes for himself, that Allaah’s pray means Allaah’s conveyance of His mercy upon someone. This however, cannot be and is not equitable to the Christian God who prays to Himself, as aptly demonstrated above. This strawman argument from Sam, was only intended to distract the reader from the main question, which still remains unanswered:

If Jesus is God and Jesus prays to God, then why is Jesus praying to Himself? Sam has failed to answer this question and has only been able to demonstrate his weak Grammar and comprehension of both the Arabic and English languages. I pray and hope that Sam can one day, eventually seek to directly answer this theological conundrum.

wa Allaahu Alam,
and God knows best.

Sources:

  1. Sam Shamoun’s, “A Series of Answers to Common Questions and Claims”.
  2. Br. Ijaz Ahmad’s, “Would a Loving and Merciful God, Kill Himself/ His Own Son?“
  3. Br. Ibn Anwar’s, “Does Allah pray? If yes then who does he pray to?“: Ibn Manzur al-Afriqi (2003). Lisan al-Arab, Vol. 18. Saudi Arabia: Dar ‘Alim Al-Kutub. p. 198, Abi Nasr Ismail bin Hammad al-Jawhari (1999). Al-Sihah Taj al-Lughati Wa Sihah al-’Arabiyyah, Vol. 6. Beirut, Lebanon: dar al-Kutub al-’Ilmiyyah. p. 384, Abi Mansur Muhammad bin Ahmad al-Azhari (n.d.). Tahzib al-Lughat, Vol. 17. Cairo, Egypt: Matabi’ Sabil al-Arab. p. 236.

Refutation: If Jesus is God…How can God Die?

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Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

Question:

If Jesus is God, how can God die? Who was running the universe those three days that Jesus was dead?

Answer:

Sam’s initial response is to redefine the meaning of the word death, he gives two meanings from the Bible:

  1. Spiritual death, “The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And the LORD God commanded the man, ‘You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.” –  Genesis 2:15-17.
  2. Physical death, “As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.” –  James 2:26,

Finally, he concludes:

Christ, therefore, did not cease to live when he died on the cross since, as the Holy Bible teaches, the Lord’s soul was still consciously alive during the three days his body lay in the tomb. The only way that Christ could be able to raise himself from the dead is if Christ were still consciously alive. This establishes that Christ did not cease to exist for those three days that his body remained in the grave. Both Christ’s divine nature and his human soul were still conscious during that period of time. So in answer to the question, the one true God always exists as three distinct Persons even during the entombment of Christ’s physical body. And, even as his body lay buried, Christ was alive and sovereignly sustaining the universe along with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

According to Sam Shamoun, Jesus did not die, whether physically or spiritually. If Jesus did not die, then the notion of Christ dying for our sins is a false one. See, the argument works as :

  • Christ died for your sins.
  • As a sacrificial lamb was able to atone for sins, so was Christ.

Since according to Sam Shamoun, Christ never actually died, then no atonement actually took place. Sam never really answers the question as to how God died, instead he tells us that Jesus did not actually die, at all. He gives an either or option, that is a physical or spiritual death, then he negates both options. Thus leaving us with the understanding that Christ/ “God” never died. His argument can be represented as such:

  • Christ died.
  • He could have died either a spiritual death or physical death.
  • Christ neither had a spiritual or physical death.

Which is a problem as the Bible mentions that the sacrificial lamb was to be killed and by kill, we mean be put to death i..e not alive:

 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. – Exodus 12:6.

As an addendum, Sam must answer the question, that if the sacrificial animal does not die, i.e. there is no cessation of life, is the sacrifice valid, or must the animal die? This death as referred to in Exodus 12:6, or slaughtering of the animal/ sacrifical animal refers to a physical cessation of life. This definition can be attested to by CARM’s Theological Dictionary:

Death is understood two main ways in the Bible. First, it is used to describe the cessation of life, this can be physical or spiritual. – Death.

Either way, Sam Shamoun has put himself between a rock and a hard place:

  • Either he concedes to the fact Jesus never died (which Sam did), therefore shelving his entire faith (1 Corinthians 15:12-17).
  • Or if Jesus died (which Sam believes), then God ceased to live, therefore his God is not Ever Living, All Powerful.

wa Allaahu ‘Alam,
and God knows best.

A Reminder to Our Christian Friends

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Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

This is a small reminder to our Christian friends, not to be insulting, but to ask some questions which we believe need to be answered.

See that picture above? I hope you do, that’s what God is to you.
See that man in the silhouette? That’s what you attest to worship.

اعباد المسيح لنا سؤال….نريد جوابه ممن و عاه
O Christ-worshippers! We want an answer to our question [from your wise ones],
إذا مات الإله بصنع قوم….أماتوه فما هذا الإله
If the Lord was murdered by some peopleýs act, what kind of god is this?
وهل أرضاه ما نالوه منه….فبشراهم إذا نلوا رضاه
We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did to Him?
If yes, blessed be they, they achieved His pleasure,
وإن الذي فعلوه فيه….فقؤتهم إذا أوهت قواه
But if He was discontented, this means their power had subjugated Him!

وهل بقي الوجود بلا إله….سميع يستجيب لمن دعاه
Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer, so who answered the prayers?
وهل خلت الطباق السبع لما….ثوى تحت التراب وقد علاه
Were the heavens vacated, when He laid under the ground somewhere?
وهل خلت العوالم من إله….يدبر ها وقد سمرت يداه
Were all the worlds left without a God, to manage while His hands were nailed?
وكيف تخلت الأملاك عنه….بنصرهم وقد سمعوا بكاه
Why did not the angels help Him, when they heard him while he wailed?

وكيف أطاقت الخشبات حمل الإله….الحق شد على قفاه
How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened,
وكيف دنا الحديد إليه حتى….يخالطه ويلحقه أذاه
How could the irons reached Him and [had] His body pinned?
وكيف تمكنت أيدي عداه….وطالت حيث قد صفعوا قفاه
How could His enemiesý hands reach Him and slap His rear,
وهل عاد المسيح إلى حياة….أم المحيي له ربٌ سواه
And was Christ revived by himself, or was the Reviver another god?

ويا عجبا لقبر ضم رباً….وأغجب منه بطن قد حواه
What a sight it was, a grave that enclosed a god,
Stranger still is the belly that confined Him!
أقام هناك تسعا من شهور….لدى الظلمات من حيض غذاه
He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness, fed by blood!
وشق الفرج مولودا صغيرا….ضعيفا فاتحا للثدى فاه
Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,
Weak and gasping to be breast-fed!
ويأكل ثم يشرب ثم ياتي….بلازم ذاك هل هذا إله
He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted,1
Is this [what you call] a god?
تعالى الله عن إفك النصارى….سيسأل كلهم عما افتراه
High Exalted be Allah above the lies of Christians,
All of them will be held accountable for their libels!

أعباد الصليب لأي معنى….يعظم او يقبَه رماه
O Cross-worshippers! For what reason is this exalted
and blame [is cast upon those] who reject it?
وهل تقضى العقول بغير كسر….وإحراق له ولمن بغاه
Is it not logical to break and burn it, along with the one who innovated it?
إذا ركب الإله عليه كرها….وقد شدت لتسمير يداه
Since the Lord was crucified on it, and his hands were fastened to it?
فذاك المركب الملعون حقا….فدسه لا تبسه إذا تراه
That is really a cursed cross to carry,
So discard it, do not kiss it!

يهان عليه رب الخلق طرًا….وتعبده فإنك من عداه
The Lord was abused on it, and you adore it?
So [it is clear that] you are one of His enemies!
فإن عظمته من أخل أن قد….حوى رب العباد وقد علاه
If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the Worlds,
وقد فقد الصليب فإن رأينا….له شكلا تذكرنا سناه
Why donýt you prostrate yourself and worship graves,
فهلا للقبور سجدت طرًا….لضم القبر ربَك في حشاه
Since the grave contained your god in it?

فيا عبد المسيح فق فهذا….بدايته وهذا منتهاه
So Christ-worshipper, open your eyes,
This is the Beginning and this is the End.

Poem by Ibn Qayyim al Jawziya to the Christians in Aýobbad al-Maseeh Fi Naqd al-Nasraniyyah (O Christ-Worshippers! In Refuting Christianity).

wa Allaahu Alam,
and God knows best.

Pastors Gone Wild: Dearborn Edition

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Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

 

Dearborn is host to the Arab festival, a year gathering Arabs throughout the Western Hemisphere, who congregate to celebrate their culture and participate in commerce. During that time it’s usually a major attraction for Christian missionaries to try to convert Arab Muslims, which more often that usual, ends up turning into lots of mad arguing. Today however, we’ve got interesting news:

The pastor of Sacred Heart Parish in Dearborn was suspended Monday after the Catholic Archdiocese of Detroit learned he had been arrested on suspicion of drunken driving — in the nude. The archdiocese issued a statement Tuesday saying the Rev. Peter Petroske, 57, had been placed on administrative leave. A knowledgeable city source told the Free Press that Petroske was arrested early Friday about a block from the church on Michigan Avenue in Dearborn, and had a laptop computer with him in the vehicle.

The archdiocese statement said that when Petroske was arrested, he was alone in his vehicle and “was charged with driving under the influence of alcohol and indecent exposure. Archdiocesan officials met with parish staff on Monday.” Archdiocese spokesman Joe Kohn said the leave is indefinite. He said he could not discuss the laptop but confirmed that Petroske was not dressed at the time of the arrest.

Funny enough, the Christian support behind the drunk nudist preach is astounding:

“He’s been just a fantastic pastor, an inspiring speaker. Obviously something very strange must have occurred,” said Ned Nikodem of Dearborn, a former vice chairman of the church’s Pastoral Council. “He has just a devout appreciation for the liturgy and scripture, and he can interpret it in ways that make it moving and meaningful.”

Pretty certain if this was an Imam, things would have been much different. Community wide protests, charges laid, fired from job, front page news in James White’s, Pamella Geller’s and David Wood’s website. You can read the full article here, via the Detroit Freepress.

wa Allaahu ‘Alam,
and God knows best.

Debunking Anthony Roger’s Weird Logic

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Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

In probably what is one of the most hilarious replies to Anthony Rogers you will ever read, Br. Ijaz embarks on a journey through his latest comedy masterpiece, “Mark’s High Christology of Divine Inclusion”. Grab some popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show. To this day, we’re still not sure what Anthony was smoking or drinking when he authored this embarrassing article. He got a spanking he’s sure not to forget.

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Sam Shamoun’s Fatwa!

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بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

Sam Shamoun’s has pronounced a fatwa against Br. Ijaz Ahmad! On his friend’s blog, badmanna, Sam has proclaimed that no Christian should interact with Br. Ijaz. Apparently, doing so would only serve to give me more publicity and fuel the good work we’re doing. In this article, Br. Ijaz extends his gratitude to Sam for his fatwa.

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Sam Shamoun Warns: Stay Away from Ijaz Ahmad!

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Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

It’s been sometime since my last run in with Sam Shamoun, after all he had fun while his friends threatened to rape me and then he had a blast insulting me. He’s gone one step further though. It seems after responding to him on his friend’s blog, along with Br. Qmark, Sam got a little more than annoyed and thus we have a new fatwa by Sam:

I’ve really got to hand it to Sam, it’s strange that he’s warning his brethren to avoid me like the plague, after and only after he’s engaged with me on that blog. What’s worse is that neither Anthony or him have as of yet, been able to respond to any of my arguments against them, which you can read here and here. It seems as if I must thank Sam Shamoun for placing a Christian missionary embargo on me. The longer he is silent against me and the more he preaches against me, the more it shows his inability to respond to my articles and refutations against his lies. Yet his embargo does not seem to be working.

For the month of August 2012, we’ve had 20 fantastic articles posted, last month we had a TV series in my native country, the website received it’s highest views ever in May, while our fan base continues to grow in the US, UK, Europe and Asia, as is testament by our growing Facebook fanpage as well. With all of our growth, I’m really not sure how well Sam’s embargo seems to be working. Whatever the case may be, I’d still like to thank the guy for disliking me that much to go so far as to personally warn his brothers in Christ to stay away from me. That most certainly is an achievement that I am proud of, thank you, Sam.

As a side note, I’m not exactly how it is that I’m dying for attention as neither Sam or any of his cronies know my real name, where I live or what I look like. If you or anyone else have ever seen a celebrity whose identity is unknown, let me or Sam know! He really has a funny idea of what fame is.

wa Allaahu Alam,
and God knows best.

Peter or Paul?

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بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

Are you following the teachings of  Jesus’s  apostles? We note that out of the 27 books found in the New Testament, 14 books (including the Book of Hebrews as it was thought to be written by Paul) are ascribed to Paul and 2 Books (Gospel of Luke and the book of Acts) ascribed to his companion. More than half of the Christian teachings come from Paul. Paul (known as Paul the Apostle , Saul of Tarsus ) was a Jew who persecuted Christians, on his way to Syria (Damascus) his journey was interrupted when Jesus appeared to him as a blinding light (Acts 9, Acts 22: both accounts contradict one another)  and speaks to Paul, leading Paul to believe and spread the Message.  This should make you ask, a person who in one incident only has received a vision of Jesus, how can he become the leading author and main interpreter of the words of Jesus, while all the other 12 disciples lived, accompanied, learned and were taught by Jesus have little or nothing to say.

Jesus clearly tells Peter (“Cephas” was Peter’s real name, the Greek word for “Peter” means “rock”) :

Matthew 16:18

18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Peter the leading disciple, Jesus’s rock has only two small epistles (New Testament books) to his name 1 and 2 Peter and ironically both books authors are believed to be anonymous :

“Some modern scholars on the basis of a number of features that they consider incompatible with Petrine authenticity, regard the letter as the work of a later Christian writer. Such features include the cultivated Greek in which it is written, difficult to attribute to a Galilean fisherman, together with its use of the Greek Septuagint translation when citing the Old Testament; the similarity in both thought and expression to the Pauline literature; and the allusions to widespread persecution of Christians, which did not occur until at least the reign of Domitian (A.D. 81-96). In this view the letter would date from the end of the first century or even the beginning of the second, when there is evidence for persecution of Christians in Asia Minor. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1348)”

“Nevertheless, acceptance of 2 Peter into the New Testament canon met with great resistance in the early church. The oldest certain reference to it comes from Origen in the early third century. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1354)”

“Among modern scholars there is wide agreement that 2 Peter is a pseudonymous work, i.e., one written by a later author who attributed it to Peter. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1354)”

With respect to 1 Peter:

Some scholars believe the author was not Peter, but an unknown author writing after Peter’s death. Estimates for the date of composition range from 60 to 112 AD. Most critical scholars are skeptical that the apostle Simon Peter, the fisherman on the Sea of Galilee, actually wrote the epistle, because of the urbane cultured style of the Greek and the lack of any personal detail suggesting contact with the historical Jesus of Nazareth. The letter contains about thirty-five references to the Hebrew Bible, all of which, however, come from the Septuagint translation, an unlikely source for historical Peter the apostle, but appropriate for a Hellenized audience; thus the use of the Septuagint helps define the audience. The Septuagint was a Greek translation that had been created at Alexandria for the use of those Jews who could not easily read the Hebrew and Aramaic of the Tanakh and for proselytes. A historical Jew in Galilee would not have heard Scripture in this form, it is argued.

Source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Petrine_epistles

So we ask again our Christian friends whose understanding have you been following?

To further strengthen our case:

Paul’s understanding of the Law (The commandments of God according to the Bible): 

Galatians 3:10-13  

 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.

Romans 3:20

20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

Romans 10:9-10

That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

Contrary to what Paul says, Jesus had always requested the law to be applied:

Matthew 5:17-19

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 23: 1-3

1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

Furthermore, Paul confronts and calls Peter (Cephas) and James Hypocrites for trying to abide by and teach the Law:

Galatians 2: 11 -21

11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

17 “But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.

19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

If Peter (Jesus’ Rock) , James and Barnabas the apostles of Jesus were considered to have gone astray in their teachings by a person who had only one vision of Jesus (Paul)… Whose side would you pick?   According to the Pseudo-Clementines,  there is a debate to show Peter supporting the ongoing validity of the Law against Paul (Disguised as Simon Magus).

For some from among the Gentiles have rejected my lawful preaching and have preferred a lawless and absurd doctrine to the man who is my enemy. And indeed some have attempted, while I am still alive, to distort my words by interpretations of many sorts, as if I taught the dissolution of the law… But that may God forbid ! For to do such a thing means to act contrary to the Law of God which was made to Moses and was confirmed by our Lord in its everlasting continuance. For he said, “The heaven and the earth will pass away, but not one jot or one tittle shall pass away from the Law.” (Letter of Peter to James, 2.3-5)

In a portion of the Homilies Peter attacks Paul:

And if our Jesus appeared to you also and became known in a vision and met you as angry with an enemy [recall: Paul had his vision while still persecuting the Christians: Acts 9], yet he has spoken only through visions and dreams or through external revelations. But can anyone be made competent to teach through a vision? And if your opinion is that that is possible, why then did our teacher spend a whole year with us who were awake? How can we believe you even if he has appeared to you?… But if you were visited by him for the space of an hour and were instructed by him and thereby have become an apostle, then proclaim his words, expound what he has taught, be a friend to his apostles and do not contend with me, who am his confidant; for you have in hostility withstood me, who am a firm rock, the foundation stone of the Church (Homilies 17.19)

In conclusion, I will say Peter, not Paul, is the true authority for understanding the message of Jesus, but since Peter’s (The Rock ) writings are not around, whose teachings are you following ?

Jesus says in the Bible:

Matthew 7:15

Jesus said “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

The Bible Attributes False Prophecies to Jesus Christ

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بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

Christians constantly state that we should look at Jesus’s prophecies (in the Bible) and see how they came true, hence knowing the true power of God Almighty. Now before I place an example, I would like to ask what would be the consequences if at least one of Jesus’ Prophecies went wrong? We read in Deuteronomy 18:21-22 the following:

21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed. (Deuteronomy 18:21-22)

Definition for “presumptuously”:

1. characterized by presumption or tending to presume; bold; forward

2. an obsolete word for presumptive

Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/presumptuous

Therefore concluding that these won’t and can’t be the words of God !

Now coming back to the Jesus’s Prophecy.

In Mark 13:3-4, we notice the disciples are asking for signs for the end of time and Jesus response:

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?” (Mark 13:3-4)

After this Jesus points some signs and among them is this Mark 13:24-31

24 “But in those days, following that distress,

“‘the sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

25 the stars will fall from the sky,

and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

28 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.  (Mark 13:24-31)

Jesus clearly states that this generation in Mark 13:30, the generation of his Disciples “will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened” …. Unfortunately we have reached  the 21st century and  the sun has not darkened, the moon still gives light, no falling stars from the sky, and no Jesus (son of man) coming in the clouds with his angels.

What is funny and interesting is after Jesus proclaims the signs about the End of time and a time period,  he states this in Mark 13:32

32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Mark 13:32)

Jesus confesses that he (The son) nor the angels nor anyone knows when the End of times is but only the Father. So we ask, why set a time period when you don’t know ?

( Mark 13:30) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened)

Concluding that these are definitely not the words of God nor the words of a Prophet of God !  Words of confusion and inconsistency, leaving us with a thought does the Bible’s Jesus know what he is talking about?

Circumcision and the New Covenant

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بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

In Galatians 5:2-4, Paul claims that circumcision is of no importance due to the new covenant:

Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

According to him, circumcision is no longer important, and worse yet, if you do get circumcised, it is as if you are enslaving yourself to the Law in a vain attempt of appealing to systems that cannot benefit you, while ignoring that Jesus laid down his life in order to liberate you from this Law. Some of the great exegetes of the Bible have commented on this issue:

Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible
Christ is become of no effect unto you – It is vain for you to attempt to unite the two systems. You must have the law and no Christ, or Christ and no law, for your justification.
Ye are fallen from grace – From the Gospel. They had been brought into the grace of the Gospel; and now, by readopting the Mosaic ordinances, they had apostatized from the Gospel as a system of religion, and had lost the grace communicated to their souls, by which they were preserved in a state of salvation. The peace and love of God, received by Jesus Christ, could not remain in the hearts of those who had rejected Christ. They had, therefore, in every sense of the word, fallen from grace; and whether some of them ever rose again is more than we can tell.

Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
Christ is become of no effect unto you,…. Or “ye are abolished from Christ”; or as others by an “hypallage” read the words, “Christ is abolished unto you”; for by their seeking for justification by their own works, it was all one to them as if there was no Christ, and no righteousness in him, and no salvation by him; they had nothing to do with him, nor he with them:
whosoever of you are justified by the law; that is, who sought to be justified by their obedience to the law, or who thought they were, and trusted in themselves that they were righteous; for otherwise, by the deeds of the law, no flesh living can be justified:
ye are fallen from grace; that is, either from that grace which they professed to have; for there might be some in these churches, as in others, who were only nominal Christians, and formal professors; who had declared they saw themselves lost and undone sinners, destitute of a righteousness, and professed to believe in Christ alone for righteousness and strength, but now trusted in themselves, and in the works of the law: or from the scheme of grace in the whole of man’s salvation, which will admit of no mixture of works; either it is one or the other, it cannot be both; wherefore by their taking on the side of works, they showed that they had entirely dropped the scheme of grace: or else from the Gospel of the grace of God, from whence they were removed, through the influence of false teachers; particularly the doctrine of free justification by the grace of God, through the righteousness of Christ; which was entirely set aside by their seeking to be instilled by the works of the law; and from this they might be said to be fallen, who were on such a bottom.

Where does Paul believes the solution to the law lies? Simple:

Galatians 5:5
“For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.”
Simply righteous faith.

You should ask Christians,”why have you abolished the Circumcision covenant, a covenant given to Abraham by God and his descendants until the day of judgment?”,  anyone who is not circumcised has broken the covenant and is cut from God’s people.

Genesis 17: 9-14
Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant. ”

Their response would be again the new covenant set by Jesus:

Luke 22:20
And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

Supposedly the verses in Mark 14:22-24, Matthew 26:27-29 and Luke 22:20 were explicit (for which they are not) verses that spoke of Jesus shedding blood for our sins, leading us to abolish the law, if that is the case, would these problems arise:

1. Would God in Genesis 17:9-14 state Circumcision is God’s eternal covenant with Abraham and his descendants, for all the generations to come. Whoever abandons it is broken from the chosen people and has no salvation. If God knew he was going to change such a covenant why claim it was eternal?
a) God had no knowledge of the future, and therefore changed his mind (that would make him not God) ?
b) The Old testament is corrupted since scribes tampered with it ?
c) The New Testament is corrupted and/or Jesus never said there was a new covenant? Concluding that Paul of Tarsus invented a new religious phenomena.

2. How is it that every born child is to be circumcised on the eight day according to the law?

Leviticus 12:2-3
“Say to the Israelites: ‘A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised.

Jesus (to some Christians, God the son) himself , complying with the Old Covenant, was circumcised according to the New Testament:

Luke 2:21
On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.

If God did not want the circumcision covenant to remain, why did He allow Jesus (God himself) to be circumcised ? Such an act or decision is confusing.  If it wasn’t God’s intention that circumcision was to remain eternally as his covenant, then why was Jesus circumcised?Didn’t God know that  Jesus was an  example and role model for humanity to follow.

Later on, Jesus, a grown circumcised man, goes on to confirm that he has come to fulfill the law (including Circumcision) and not to ignore it.

Matthew 5:17-19
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

He further says in Matthew:

Matthew 23:1-3
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

How is the new covenant in consistency with the words and deeds of Jesus?

3. If we recall in Galatians 5:2-4, it was Paul the so called “apostle” of Jesus who claimed that circumcision enslaves you to the law and that Jesus laid down his life to liberate us from such a burden. Ironically, what would one expect Paul to do?

Acts 16:1-3
Paul came to Derbe and then to Lystra, where a disciple named Timothy lived, whose mother was Jewish and a believer but whose father was a Greek. The believers at Lystra and Iconium spoke well of him. Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.

Paul, preaching against circumcision, circumcises Timothy! Doesn’t this show double standards?

As we have seen above, Paul’s words and the so called New Covenant are baseless. In returning to Genesis 17: 9-14, who other than the Jews have fulfilled the covenant?

It is important to note that Islam is not a new religion, it is a Semitic religion stating that Adam, Abraham, David, Solomon, Moses, Joseph, Jesus … Muhammad (May peace and blessing of Allah fall upon them all) are considered Prophets holding the same message of Monotheism .

Quran, Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:136,
Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: we make no difference between one and another of them: and we submit to Allah.”

The Covenant of Abraham was not abolished in Islam. On the contrary, it remains as a must for all Muslims.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said:
“The Prophet Ibrahim (peace be upon him) was circumcised when he was eighty years old.” (Al-Bukhari, Vol 6/p. 388, Al-Salfiyya printing).

Prophet Muhammad (peace  be upon him) is reported to have said, “Five are the acts quite akin to fitrah: Circumcision, shaving the pubes, cutting the nails, plucking the hair under the armpits and clipping (or shaving) the moustache.” (Reported in all the six authentic collections of Hadith).

In accordance with God ‘s command through the line and message sent to his Prophets, whoever accepts Islam does not leave the true religion but follow s its final testament.

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