The Bible Attributes False Prophecies to Jesus Christ


Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

Christians constantly state that we should look at Jesus’s prophecies (in the Bible) and see how they came true, hence knowing the true power of God Almighty. Now before I place an example, I would like to ask what would be the consequences if at least one of Jesus’ Prophecies went wrong? We read in Deuteronomy 18:21-22 the following:

21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed. (Deuteronomy 18:21-22)

Definition for “presumptuously”:

1. characterized by presumption or tending to presume; bold; forward

2. an obsolete word for presumptive

Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/presumptuous

Therefore concluding that these won’t and can’t be the words of God !

Now coming back to the Jesus’s Prophecy.

In Mark 13:3-4, we notice the disciples are asking for signs for the end of time and Jesus response:

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?” (Mark 13:3-4)

After this Jesus points some signs and among them is this Mark 13:24-31

24 “But in those days, following that distress,

“‘the sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

25 the stars will fall from the sky,

and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

28 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.  (Mark 13:24-31)

Jesus clearly states that this generation in Mark 13:30, the generation of his Disciples “will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened” …. Unfortunately we have reached  the 21st century and  the sun has not darkened, the moon still gives light, no falling stars from the sky, and no Jesus (son of man) coming in the clouds with his angels.

What is funny and interesting is after Jesus proclaims the signs about the End of time and a time period,  he states this in Mark 13:32

32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Mark 13:32)

Jesus confesses that he (The son) nor the angels nor anyone knows when the End of times is but only the Father. So we ask, why set a time period when you don’t know ?

( Mark 13:30) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened)

Concluding that these are definitely not the words of God nor the words of a Prophet of God !  Words of confusion and inconsistency, leaving us with a thought does the Bible’s Jesus know what he is talking about?

4 comments

  • “This generation” clearly does not refer to the generation then living, since these events (pace the preterists!) have clearly not yet happened. Remember, all scripture has to be taken together. Elsewhere, Peter tells us that a thousand years is no more than a day to the Lord, and so what seems to us a long time is but a couple of days to him. Therefore Peter rebukes those who ask, “Where is the promise of his coming?”

    The words η γενεα αυτη in Mark 13:30 could be translated “this people”, referring to the nation of Israel, which has miraculously been preserved for nearly 1900 years without a territory. Alternatively, it can refer to the generation of people living when the signs begin to take place. Personally, I favour the translation “this people” because of the reference to the fig tree, which is the biblical symbol of Israel.

  • [“This generation” clearly does not refer to the generation then living, since these events (pace the preterists!) have clearly not yet happened.]

    Contrary to what you have claimed: The Greek word “Generation” (γενεὰ – genea) clearly means generation
    (http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1074&t=KJV)

    Add to that context of Jesus’s straight forward reply to his disciples – we conclude “This generation” – implying a false prophecy.

    [Remember, all scripture has to be taken together.]

    In context which I have.

    [Elsewhere, Peter tells us that a thousand years is no more than a day to the Lord, and so what seems to us a long time is but a couple of days to him. Therefore Peter rebukes those who ask, “Where is the promise of his coming?”]

    I do not see how relevant this reply is.

    According to the pseudepigraphical book 2 Peter 3:8

    “But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.”

    How does this solve ‘this generation’ problem? If it is a day or a thousand days to the Lord? This generation still died without seeing the signs of Jesus’s prophecy in the Bible.

    [The words η γενεα αυτη in Mark 13:30 could be translated “this people”, referring to the nation of Israel, which has miraculously been preserved for nearly 1900 years without a territory. Alternatively, it can refer to the generation of people living when the signs begin to take place. Personally, I favour the translation “this people” because of the reference to the fig tree, which is the biblical symbol of Israel.]

    Your assumption falls short of the actual definition and context in Mark 13:30 and Matthew 24:34. The greek word for nations is ‘ethnos’ (ἔθνος) John 11:46 , ‘ethnē’ (ἔθνη) Acts 14:16 and even ethnei (ἔθνει) Matthew 21:43 (to a people/Nation).

    Therefore we can conclude once again, that Jesus’s Prophecy still remains false.

    Thank you Oliver,
    Have a nice day.

  • Hi Hamza
    I think this subject is begins in a faulty manner, you guys have already concluded that Jesus is predicting falsely now according to the Koran and the bible Jesus is sinless, so what are you saying Jesus is lying or the gospel writers are liars?

    Mat 23:33    Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

    Mar 9:19    He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.

    Luk 11:29    And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

    In the verses above Jesus is dealing with people that were around him when he was preaching in their present condition…faithless,sign seekers and hypocritical.

    Mat 12:41    The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

    In this text the men of Ninevah were going to rise up against who?
    What generation? Obviously the people who were living at the time of Jesus who rejected him.

    Mat 24:34    Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    In this verse what generation is Jesus referring to? It is obvious it is the generation of people living at the time these things are being fulfilled.

    Jesus never prophesied anything false…something yet to happen is not false, maybe you need to read about what YOUR prophet said before you accuse Jesus.

    Muhammad said Jesus will return in his time

    Here are the sound hadiths where Muhammad told his companions that Jesus would soon descend upon them to lead them:

    Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah said: By Him in Whose hand is my life, the son of Mary WILL SOON DESCEND AMONG YOU AS A JUST JUDGE. He will break crosses, kill swine and abolish Jizya and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it.” (Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0287)

    Narrated Abu Hurayrah:

    The Prophet said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus. He will descent (to the earth). When YOU see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 37, Number 4310)

    Continued…

    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will SHORTLY DESCEND AMONGST YOU people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425)

    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends AMONGST YOU as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656)

    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will SOON DESCEND AMONGST YOU and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims)… (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 657)

    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah’s Apostle said “How will YOU be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends AMONGST YOU and he will judge people by the Law of the Quran and not by the law of Gospel (Fateh-ul Bari page 304 and 305 Vol 7)(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 658)

    It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah observed: What would you do when the son of Mary would descend AMONGST YOU AND WOULD LEAD YOU AS ONE AMONGST YOU? Ibn Abi Dhi’b on the authority of Abu Huraira narrated: YOUR LEADER AMONGST YOU. Ibn Abi Dhi’b said: Do you know what the words: “He would lead as one AMONGST YOU” mean? I said: Explain these to me. He said: He would LEAD YOU according to the Book of your Lord (hallowed be He and most exalted) and the Sunnah of your Apostle. (Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0292)

    Muhammad cursing someone unjust will be purified instead

    Chapter 23: HE UPON WHOM ALLAH’S APOSTLE INVOKED CURSE WHEREAS HE IN FACT DID NOT DESERVE IT, IT WOULD BE A SOURCE OF REWARD AND MERCY FOR HIM

    A’isha reported that two persons visited Allah’s Messenger and both of them talked about a thing, of which I am not aware, but that annoyed him AND HE INVOKED CURSE UPON BOTH OF THEM AND HURLED MALEDICTION, and when they went out I said: Allah’s Messenger, the good would reach everyone but it would not reach these two. He said: Why so? I said: Because you have invoked curse and hurled malediction upon both of them. He said: Don’t you know that I have made condition with my Lord saying thus: O Allah, I am a human being and that for a Muslim upon whom I invoke curse or hurl malediction make it a source of purity and reward? (Sahih Muslim, Book 032, Number 6285)

    This hadith has been reported on the authority of A’mash with the same chain of transmitters and the hadith transmitted on the authority of ‘Isa (the words are): “He had a private meeting with them AND HURLED MALEDICTION UPON THEM AND CURSED THEM and sent them out.” (Sahih Muslim, Book 032, Number 6286)

    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Apostle as saying: O Allah, I make a covenant with Thee against which Thou wouldst never go. I am a human being and thus for a Muslim whom I give any harm or whom I scold or upon whom I INVOKE A CURSE or whom I BEAT, make this a source of blessing, purification and nearness to Thee on the Day of Resurrection. (Sahih Muslim, Book 032, Number 6290)

  • Hi defendchrist,

    You said:
    [I think this subject is begins in a faulty manner, you guys have already concluded that Jesus is predicting falsely now according to the Koran and the bible Jesus is sinless, so what are you saying Jesus is lying or the gospel writers are liars?]

    As Muslims we do believe Prophet Jesus (as) is free from sin and even false prophecies, but we do not believe the Bible is the word of God. The falsely prophecy would then be attributed not to Prophet Jesus (as) but to what the Bible (New Testament specifically) claims Jesus did and said.

    The verses (Mat 23:33, Mark 9:19 Luke 11:29) add further evidence to my case. We all agree Jesus is dealing with the people around him, each verse is explicitly talking about that generation’s (or specific group or sect within that generation’s) ill belief, not about the generations to come, meaning the generations to come could be evil or good.

    Keeping that in mind Mark 13:30 explicitly states:

    “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened”

    Placing Jesus’s Prophecy as false.

    You said:
    [Mat 12:41    The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
    In this text the men of Ninevah were going to rise up against who?
    What generation? Obviously the people who were living at the time of Jesus who rejected him.]

    You have misunderstood the verse,

    Matthew 12:41-42 (NIV)
    (41) The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here.(42) The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, and now one greater than Solomon is here

    Matthew 12:41 and 12:42 are similar, the context they are placed is the men of Nineveh as well as the Queen of the south will rise on judgment day and will be witnesses against Jesus’s generation (those that denied his words).

    Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible of Matthew 12:42 he states:

    “shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: the meaning is, as before; that she shall rise from the dead, and stand as a witness against that generation at the day of judgment, and, by her example and practices, which will then be produced, condemn them, or aggravate their condemnation…”

    Concluding that Jesus’s explicit prophecy still remain’s false.

    You said:
    [Muhammad said Jesus will return in his time ]

    Breifly:

    This is a false interpolation, the context of the Ahadith is not a false prophecy, let’s take one of the ahadith you have pasted.

    حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا اللَّيْثُ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ الْمُسَيَّبِ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ يَقُولُ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏”‏ وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَيُوشِكَنَّ أَنْ يَنْزِلَ فِيكُمُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ حَكَمًا مُقْسِطًا فَيَكْسِرَ الصَّلِيبَ، وَيَقْتُلَ الْخِنْزِيرَ، وَيَضَعَ الْجِزْيَةَ، وَيَفِيضَ الْمَالُ حَتَّى لاَ يَقْبَلَهُ أَحَدٌ ‏”‏‏.‏

    … Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and nobody will accept charitable gifts. …

    (يَنْزِلَ فِيكُمُ) ‘descend amongst you people’ is plural the ‘you’ is related to Muslims in general and not to that same generation at the time of the Prophet.

    For instance as in Acts 3:22
    “For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you”

    Christians will claim and state that this is related to Jesus and the words “from among your own people” is not limited to Moses’s generation, further clarifying the context of the ahadith.

    You said:

    [Muhammad cursing someone unjust will be purified instead]

    This is irrelevant to the topic at hand and therefore I will not respond to this inaccurate statement. Please in future discussions refrain from going off topic.

    Thank you for your post,
    Have a nice day/night.

    Regards,
    Hamza A.A.

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