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  • [39.4] If Allah desire to take a son to Himself, He will surely choose those He pleases from what He has created. Glory be to Him: He is Allah, the One, the Subduer (of all).

    Choosing those he pleases is not biological. Unless it means which woman which I hardly think you will agree with but the text does not rule it out. So Jay Smith is still right.

    When will you post a response on the other thread? What have you got to fear? It is a chance for you to show the superiority of Islam is it not?

  • Choosing those he pleases is not biological.

    So it’s not biological, we agree, since God is as Samad.

    Unless it means which woman which I hardly think you will agree with but the text does not rule it out. So Jay Smith is still right.

    Did we read the same verse, especially with the translation you’re using it could not be more clear. It’s not a statement of declaration, nor should it be isolated. Since God in Islam is as-Samad (which Christianity rejects), and it specifically mentions the son would be from His creation, it would then be a title bestowed upon one of His creation, as opposed to Him having an equal. I think the problem here is that you’re reading into the text your Christian-sexual point of view. You want it to be biological, because you are a Christian. Given what you’ve said, there is no way Jay is “correct”, heck you haven’t even stated in what way he was correct so the best response to your claim would be, no, he’s wrong.

    Simple answer to a simple claim.

    As for the other post, I’ll sift through the comments and find it and approve it. Some guy re-posted like 30 of our articles and the reference link buried half the comments we received recently.

  • “Unless it means which woman which I hardly think you will agree with but the text does not rule it out”

    madmana why does the verse after verse 4 say

    ” But glory be to
    Him! (He is above such things). He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible.”

    ?

    look at the words used

    LOW + AN

    “the LAW forms the hypothetical clause. The particle AN differs from LAW in this that AN simply indicates a condition whilst LAW implies that what is supposed either does not take place or is not likely to do so.”

    Now do you understand why it went on the mention GLORY BE TO HIM?

  • look at the words used in verse 4*

  • IN the arabic medina books it says that the particle signifies ” one thing FAILED to happen because of another”

    so it failed to happen because ALLAH did not WILL it, why ? GLORY BE TO Him

  • i think it purposely used the “low” to indicate that Allah is not like the gods of the mushriks who have sons and daughters. they would desire for themselves sons and daughters. Allah is not like them. this verse is not talking about any “possibility existing” in taking a son.

  • Yes but why does the Koran tell us it is possible and then tell us it not possible for God to have a son? Is there a not a contradiction here?

  • It doesn’t tell us it’s true. It’s a postulation. I’m sure you know what that means, of not, then and only then through one’s lack of ‘aql, can one claim it’s contradictory.

  • But Allah is all-knowing and the Koran is supposed to be his words. So they should be true. Humans have to postulate because they are not all-knowing.

    Postulate

    suggest or assume the existence, fact, or truth of (something) as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or belief.
    “his theory postulated a rotatory movement for hurricanes”
    synonyms: put forward, suggest, advance, posit, hypothesize, take as a hypothesis, propose, assume, presuppose, suppose, presume, predicate, take for granted, theorize
    “such hypotheses have been postulated by highly reputable geologists”

  • The Qur’an is His word. A postulation is a form of linguistic argument and logical argument. It’s a feature of the Arabic language and all known languages.

    “And indeed We have fully explained to mankind, in this Qur’an, every kind of similitude, but most of mankind refuse (the truth and accept nothing) but disbelief.” – 17:89.

    “And indeed We have put forth every kind of example in this Qur’an, for mankind. But, man is ever more quarrelsome than anything. ” – 18:54.

    A postulate isn’t “true”, it’s an argument based on a prior understanding. This is common sense. Read any book on logic, language or rhetoric. The Bible, Torah, Psalms all use language devices.

  • Pursuant to this conversation, you may want to read my discussion with Michael Licona on language devices within the Qur’an and Bible in light of late antiquity, early medieval literary styles.