Tonight features a follow up debate to Qadiani Nabeel Qureishi’s debate with the erudite, Dr. Shabir Ally, on the topic of Tawhid and the Trinity.
See the Facebook Event’s page here. The event will be livestreamed on YouTube, via this link. At present, I intend to do a live review of the debate as it happens, as I did with the previous debate between Dr. Shabir and Nabeel.
and Allah knows best.
Nabeel of RZIM and I had a discussion on Twitter about one of his claims during his debate with Dr. Shabir that the word “tawheed/ tawhid” was not found in the hadith corpus. I pointed him to this (source – Saheeh hadith):
دَّثَنَا هَنَّادٌ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ أَبِي سُفْيَانَ، عَنْ جَابِرٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم “ يُعَذَّبُ نَاسٌ مِنْ أَهْلِ التَّوْحِيدِ فِي النَّارِ حَتَّى يَكُونُوا فِيهَا حُمَمًا ثُمَّ تُدْرِكُهُمُ الرَّحْمَةُ فَيُخْرَجُونَ وَيُطْرَحُونَ عَلَى أَبْوَابِ الْجَنَّةِ . قَالَ فَيَرُشُّ عَلَيْهِمْ أَهْلُ الْجَنَّةِ الْمَاءَ فَيَنْبُتُونَ كَمَا يَنْبُتُ الْغُثَاءُ فِي حِمَالَةِ السَّيْلِ ثُمَّ يَدْخُلُونَ الْجَنَّةَ ” . قَالَ هَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ وَقَدْ رُوِيَ مِنْ غَيْرِ وَجْهٍ عَنْ جَابِرٍ .
Jabir narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:
“Some of the people of Tawhid will be punished in the Fire until they are coals. Then the Mercy (of Allah) will reach them, they will be taken out and tossed at the doors of Paradise.” He said: ” The people of Paradise will pour water over them, and they will sprout as the debris carried by the flood sprouts, then they will enter Paradise.
What was interesting, is that Nabeel gave this reply (source
I learned something from this experience. Nabeel does not know what the word Tawheed/ Tawhid in Arabic looks like, so here it is:
As a former Qadiani/ Ahmadi, it does not surprise me that the one word fundamental to Muslim ‘aqeedah (doctrine/ creed), is a word he doesn’t know. At least this incident explains to us the extent to which his “Islamic” education reached.
He just had a debate on the Trinity and Tawheed, and he didn’t even know what Tawheed looked like in the Arabic language, a word that is practically in every Muslim book on creed. I’m not sure what’s worse, that he didn’t know or that because he didn’t know, he made erratic claims that now can no longer be substantiated. I’m sorry Nabeel, there is no excuse for this level of ignorance, especially when you’re debating these topics in an academic setting. Thank you for demonstrating to the Muslim world, the extent of your Islamic knowledge. You’ve done an amazing job. And God knows best.