Category Archives: Muslim and Non-Muslim Dialogue

Christian and Against Immigration?

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

I always chuckle when right wing Missionary zealots like David Wood, Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer spew their garbage about immigration. Remember kids, ‘America is for Americans!‘, ‘Say NO! to Immigration!‘, ‘ACT! for America‘, let’s just forget that it was African slaves who built your nation, let’s also forget that the original Americans were and still are, American Indians. Let’s forget that the South was divided between Mexicans and the French (in Louisiana), or those damned Irish and Italian immigrants during America’s industrial boom didn’t exist. Let’s forget to quote what the Bible says about immigration, even though we claim to be Christians.   See, I’m not a hypocrite, I recognize that America was built on the blood, sweat and tears of the immigrated peoples. So what does the Bible say about allowing immigration?

“‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself…….37 “‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’” – Bible, Leviticus 19:33-34, 37.

Don’t defend your racism, superiority complex, hate and myopic world view by ignoring what your scripture says. I’m calling you right winger’s out. If you are a Christian and you hate immigrants, you may have a thing or two to take up with that God you worship.

wa Allaahu ‘Alam.

Refutation: Easter Story Found in Quran

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

This is a response to Answering Islam’s Oksar on, “Easter Story Found in Quran“.

  1. Introduction.
  2. The Qur’aan on the Death and Resurrection of Jesus.
  3. When did Jesus Die According to the Qur’aan?
  4. Why Did Jesus Have to Die?
  5. Conclusion.

Introduction

Oskar deceptively tries to utilize shadh (solitary) opinions from one translator’s understanding of the Qur’aan and pretends as if one person’s opinion overrides that of all the other centuries of Islamic scholarship. Cherry picking to say the very least. Unfortunately for Oskar, his writing was not very convincing, to the point that the only portion of the Easter story he found was maybe the word ‘death’, but not exactly because as he concedes it doesn’t mean ‘death’. In realising his futility he then jumped to the Bible for help which really is inconsistent writing since the topic led me to believe that the arguments were presented from the Qur’aan. Strange guy this Oskar.

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Missionary Mishaps: Iblis the Angel!?

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

It’s often seen as a ‘contradiction’ that an angel (angels have no freewill in Islamic theology), Iblis (may Allaah’s curses be upon him) was able to disobey God as is recorded in the Qur’aan. The reality is however, that Iblis (may Allaah’s curses be upon him) was counted as an angel because he only did acts that the angels would do, so great was his outward piety. However, the Qur’aan mentions that he is a Jinn (a being with freewill), and this he was able to disobey God, something an angel in Islam can’t do. A brother who’s a part of a group I occasionally have discussions in, had this experience:

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If only the missionary had read more of the Qur’aan.

wa Allaahu ‘Alam.

Missionary Mishaps: Surgery is a Sin

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

I’ve seen these missionaries say lots of stupid things in my time. This however, has to be one of the worst things I’ve ever seen a missionary state.

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When I look at the world today and think to myself, “how have things gotten this bad?“, there’s always a missionary to answer that question for me. This discussion happened on our resident ex-Christian, Br. Hamza’s facebook page.

wa Allaahu ‘Alam.

Missionary Mishaps: Hate Thy Neighbour

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

When Missionaries spurred on by David Wood and Robert Spencer’s rhetoric are allowed to reign free on discussion groups, they reveal their true natures by becoming hateful, spiteful, abusive and racist. As Muslims, we condemn this behaviour. They try to mock Muslims by attaching Muslim names to their profiles and then by preaching hate against Muslims and as seen in this photo, Muslim children. We’d like to thank David Wood especially for encouraging folks of this type for their behaviour.

Warning: Some of the language used is shocking.

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May Allaah guide these people.

wa Allaahu ‘Alam.

Who Heard the Prayer of Gethsemane?

Who heard the prayer in Gethsemane?

Reading through the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Jesus’ prayer in Gethsemane’s Garden struck my attention. A prayer which showed unwillingness and submission from the son to the father, but what struck me the most was the confusion of who heard the prayer and how was it recorded in three of the four above gospels?

After the last supper Jesus predicts Judas’ betrayal as well as Peter’s denial. Jesus takes his disciples and goes to Gethsemane. He requests from his disciples to stay while he goes further away to pray taking with him only Peter, James and John in which he then asks them to keep watch as he moves further away from them in order to pray as he felt sorrowful and troubled.

Matthew 26
36 Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” 37 He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled. 38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.” 39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

Mark 14
32 They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33 He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. 34 “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death,” he said to them. “Stay here and keep watch.” 35 Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36 “Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”

What was the distance Jesus moved away from the disciples (Peter, James and John)? The Gospel of Luke provides us with an estimation.

Luke 22
39 Jesus went out as usual to the Mount of Olives, and his disciples followed him. 40 On reaching the place, he said to them, “Pray that you will not fall into temptation.” 41 HE WITHDREW ABOUT A STONE’S THROW BEYOND THEM, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.

For further clarification let’s look at Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible

And he was withdrawn from them, That is, from the three disciples, Peter, James, and John, whom he took along with him, leaving the rest at some further distance; and from these he removed,  about a stone’s cast; fifty, or sixty feet(1) from the place where they were:

and kneeled down and prayed; the following prayer.

Fifty to sixty is between 15.24 to 18.288 meters

Having noticed that Jesus distanced himself from the disciples and remained in solitude praying (where he could not be heard) taking breaks to check on his disciples only to find them fallen asleep.

Matthew 26
40 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Couldn’t you men keep watch with me for one hour?” he asked Peter. 41 “Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”42 He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”43 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. 44 So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing.45 Then he returned to the disciples and said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Look, the hour has come, and the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners. 46 Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”

Mark 14
37 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Simon,” he said to Peter, “are you asleep? Couldn’t you keep watch for one hour? 38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.” 39 Once more he went away and prayed the same thing. 40 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. They did not know what to say to him. 41 Returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping a:? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners. 42 Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”

Luke 22
45 When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow. 46 “Why are you sleeping?” he asked them. “Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.”

In conclusion, as the disciples were distanced away from Jesus and since they were constantly falling asleep, the question we ask again is who heard Jesus’ prayer and how were they recorded into the Bible? Interestingly the Gospel according to John does not mention specifically what took place in the prayer and simply states the following:

John 18
18 When he had finished praying, Jesus left with his disciples and crossed the Kidron Valley. On the other side there was a garden, and he and his disciples went into it.

Missionary Mishaps: Another One Bites the Dust

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

Many missionaries flock to our Facebook page in an effort to ‘guide’ us to the ‘truth of Christianity’. To their detriment, they find themselves in discussions which break their delusion and of which send them hurtling towards a manifest realization about the faulty foundations of the mind numbing modern Christian religion. This is perhaps a sad demise for a missionary who gave the impression that he was determined, yet as we’ve seen, it is difficult for these missionaries to have any impact upon educated Muslims:

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wa Allaahu ‘Alam.

Second Child Death from Christian ‘Faith Healing Couple’

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

Once again, a child has to pay the price for over zealous Christian behaviour. For far too long, the Christian right has drilled a literal study of the Bible into the hearts and minds of the fickle and feeble minded believers. We’ve been misfed the archaic and fraudulent narrative of the purported Gospel of Mark’s Great Commission:

14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” – Mark 16:14-18.

For the second time in a row, a Christian couple has refused medical treatment for their ailing child, which has resulted in the death of their second child. NBC News (Philadelphia) reports:

A couple that was sentenced to probation after their 2-year-old died in 2009 from pneumonia have had another child die.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible, fundamentalist Christians who believe in the power of prayer ahead of modern medicine, recently had their 8-month-old son die, according to Philadelphia Police spokeswoman Jillian Russell. It wasn’t clear when the child died, or the cause of death, but the death hasn’t been ruled suspicious, Russell said. The child was taken to a funeral home by an as yet unknown individual and the undertaker alerted police, Russell said.

During their trial, the Schaibles’ lawyers said the parents were targeted because their fundamentalist Christian beliefs espouse faith healing.

It is quite unfortunate that this has happened once more. This should serve as a wake up call that Christian scholars should do right by their studies and remove these man-made verses from their ‘scripture’, so as to avoid the murder of innocent children due to an interpolated man made dogmatic theological farce.

wa Allaahu ‘Alam.

Boston Marathon Bomber Suspect’s Uncle Speaks Out

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

The Uncle to the suspected bombers delivers such an amazing speech that I think all persons, whether Muslim or non-Muslim can appreciate this man’s wisdom, composure and foresight:

(Note: Wait 18 seconds for the audio to kick in properly, patience is a virtue.)

To the detriment of the hateful fear mongering of David Wood (the cross dressing Evangelical sociopath), the Uncle is a proud Muslim immigrant (that ought to get his panties in a bunch (with his Act 4 America Friends) – quite literally since he’s a cross dresser) to America!

Read the Washington Post’s coverage of the Uncle Ruslan interview here. It’s a must read, here’s a quick excerpt:

This is the sort of inspiring speech that we all hope we could give, under any circumstances — much less the one in which he was asked to step up and speak up. Anything that rears its head after moments of tragedy, he covered. He was irate at the perpetrators of this violence and said they did not deserve to be on this Earth.

He acknowledged our unhappy tendency to spread the blame to entire groups. (“He put a shame on our family. … He put a shame on the entire Chechen ethnicity because now everyone blames Chechens…. When a Muslim or a person of color does something, someone always has to defend the whole community.”)

wa Allaahu ‘Alam.

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